Redge, I can see the forest for the trees now!!! You know the spot I am talking about, I think you called it the orchard. With my 798 on down and side. I would get little pieces of trees showing up, I couldn't even tell if it was trees or fish. With the HDS, when I go along there I see EVERY THING, and I can see exactly what it is in perfect picture clarity. Now I just need to figure out how to catch them. The fishing was not good for me. Caught a bunch of dinks, 10 between 10 and 12" and one 1.5 lbs. And that was a 13 hour day. And with the new electronics I found all kinds of new stuff. What is the deal with the missed bites at Killer? At Wister, Kaw, Big E, Oologah, ect I hook up, I guess about 75 % of the bites. At killer the last 2 trips I am running about 10 %. No joke. I have tried 1/4 to 1/32 ounce heads and everything else I could think of ????