Ok Thanks...right now I'm wantin to just pull my hair out!!! Right now I have on the vise and have the marabou and had chenille on fixin to whip it, but then decided to test it, and it rolled on the hook shank, and so I unwrapped the chenille, and then the marabou was still rollin, I have messed w/ some of my other jigs I have made and I dont have that problem w/ all my jigs...its drivin me crazy! I may just have to use more sally's again....but was not wantin to, seems to make my jigs to hard...