Dub-L-Seat (Wayne Inman, AKA Blacklandlures) has a great new design on his Dub-L-Seat now. It would be smart to give him a PM, or call him. PM me for his phone number. I use Hi-Tek holders, and love them(Front & back). I push & pull with them. The extreme holder is the best IMO, for what I do. Good luck. If you want to fish one day and check out my rig, just give me a call.