I long line and pull cranks at Cave Run ain't to bad badbrad is right lots of timber but thats what you want right. I've been told Paintsville is "the best kept secret" when it comes to crappie but I've never been. Gonna go to Herrington Lake tomorrow and see how it is Kentucky Game and Fish mag did an article on it said it was a great fishery for crappie but once again never fished it so I'll have to get back with you on it.