Hey SeaRay, thanks for the help once again! I have seen some of his work on the site and it is true art work that puts food on the table!!! Thanks form the great pics. I love to ty but sometimes I feel as I'm just tying to be tying instead of really tying to make a fly/jig that is really a proven pattern. I always get a kick at my kids enthusiasum to help that turns into chasing thread bobbins, hakle and marabou across the floor!HaHa