Stump Hunter and Skiptomylu, Thanks for your help! I'm really looking foward to breaking out the table and vice again. I really enjoy tying but in the past at times I felt like I was just tying to be tying and it helped my skills with all the materials and the basics.Now I'm really looking foward to having some direction and focus, and also like I'll be tying something that really works!! I really like how helpfull everyone is on this site some sites are not as friendly or as eager to help out as yall are! Thanks again!!