Hey SeaRay, thanks again for your help! I have seen some of his post, it is really art work that puts food on the table! I really enjoy tying but sometimes feel as I'm just tying instead of creating a true fishing tool! It is still loads of fun though with the childern trying to interact with you as they are chasing tread bobbins across the floor or marabou or hakle floating across the floor! HaHa