thanks Don for the tip never have heard or thought of using shrimp it makes sense, me and my father used to put in at Bryant all the time fishing in the spring when i was a kid, havent been back that much, my father passed when i was 16 now i'm 30 so i havent been to grenada in about 14 years or so we used to fish off the old roads that were under water, ive been meaning to make my way down there but just dont have a boat yet, also fished a cove to the right of bryant man we used to wear them out, dad knew grenada well, buttputter was also a great memory, anyway gettin on tangent thanks for the helpful info.............

Jeremy