Thread: Sardis Rod Limit

and to think all the sippi hands rolled over n took it layin down !! why hasnt this already been discussed? why now just now after its already been installed into rule? from an outsider lookin in its the single stupidest rule I've seen! ! the pole rule and 11 in. the limit I'm fine with but 12 in. shouldhave stayed in place. jmo

when its all said and done its about the almighty dollar

Originally Posted by MO' MONEY

People seem to get their panties in a wad either way. I explain what I am told by biologists and it becomes an issue of political correctness and that I am against war veterans (my roommate is a Iraq war vet, 173rd Airborne). I am just trying to shed light on why this has been done, and there is a biological study backing why things were done.

Nobodys "panties in a wad", but by the same token, don't slip-on panties that ain't yours, the part regarding my dad wasn't directed at you, unless you think these fish are "yours" as does another member here seems to think, don't believe I'd seen that suggested from you, so don't know why you took it upon yourself to think it was in regards to you.

Besides......I wear them T-bar things

Originally Posted by Speck

Thank him for me and tell him that his son is a gewber!!!

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and venture to guess.....he knows it

Originally Posted by Rees Guide

Yall got a seat in my boat anytime!!

Originally Posted by Big H trucking

X2 When you bringing him down?

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Thanks guys, much appreciated! I can only imagine the smile on his face after catching his 1st good-sized MS crappie, he'll have a blast.

I'll have to wait until I talk with him back home to see what his ideas are. I'm almost gonna guess he'll stop-in on his way to Florida for the winter, so probably around the end of October. He can stay in the bus with me as long as he wants to stay, but be surprised if he'd stay over a week, depending on the weather.

Originally Posted by MO' MONEY

The pole limit is due to the overfishing of the lakes. Enid and Butla aren't fished as hard as grenada and sardis. hence the pole limit to take some of the pressure off the lakes. These decisions are based on bilogical data, fish shocks, gill net studies, and spawn numbers. These factors are considered against 30 years worth of trends and data, and they make the most informed decision. From my understanding, the pole limit is just to deter people from traveling to fish this lake if they want the greatest odds of catching a limit of fish. Allows the fish a while to re-establish thier population. Maybe it's coincidence with the letters and all, but I think with the low water levels the past years and the lack of strong spawns has a ton to do with this decision. Ron's job is to maintain a trophy class fishery, and he has all the tools at his disposal to make an informed decision. I think he knows what he's doin, just isn't going to make everyone happy. Heck, I don't like the 3 pole rule, but at least we can fish during the pre-spawn and spawn. I think John is going to go speak with Ron G. this week, maybe he'll be able to shed a little more light on the subject.

Mo, you are mistaken. I was their. When someone says the lake is in poor shape, they laugh and say its in such bad shape fishermen traveled from 24 states to fish it last year.
If you'll look at my original post, they changed it over public comment.
With the pressure we're putting on them, I expect the biology to soon change to match the regulations.


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I did not read all the way thru this thread so forgive me if this has already been brought out. I spend quite a bit of time at Sardis. My father-in-law lives there and we spend lots of weekends visiting him. I talk with the locals quite a bit, people at church down there, neighbors, local fishermen at coffee shop, etc. I'm hearing that there is a significant movement of local folks who would like very much to have trolling "by the outsiders" banned on the lake. There's one guy who lives at Sardis leading the charge and others who feel that the Out-of-State folks are taking out too mny fish with "their spider rig trolling" (they say). I also hear from them that the Out-of-Staters load up their boats with two or three guys so they can take the maximum out of the lake on every trip. They say that they were vocal at the meetings at enid and at holiday lodge and that their voices were heard. They feel that they got their way on the new regs at Sardis and want to see the other 4 go this way also.

I hear a lot that they live on the lake and went about a year without being able to catch many fish that were legal. Of course, they blame the out-of-staters for this also along with the internet and all of the picture posting that "bring the crowds". Last weekend, they pointed to the 100+ boats on the lower lake on Friday with most of the license plates showing Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas and Tennessee. They said the fish have been biting for the last month at Sardis and they're seeing 150-200 boats on nice days which is true from anyone's observations. They think their lake is getting killed again this spring. The very ones who want to see the lake limited to singlepoling in the Spring love to pull crankbaits in the summer sice they don't see this as "trolling".

I don't know whether we need to be worried or not. I'm one of the ones who likes to go there and pick up a limit with my spider rig setup. I'd hate to see that practice banned on the Big Four.

I personally was confronted on the Lower Lake in February by a single-poling local. He accused me of cleaning out Arkabutla last summer with "my 5 trolling poles" and now trying to do the same at Sardis. After I assured him that I had indeed personally caught all of the fish at butla last summer and left not a one for anyone else, he went away fuming. Wasn't thinking at the time and realized later that I'm glad he didn't have a gun!

Originally Posted by MO' MONEY

Maybe my word choice was poor. Not deter, but relieve stress from both locals and out of state anglers. Two less poles may cost me one or two fish a day, but when you're on the fish, you just have to fish longer. The limit decreasing will help the population bounce back. Think how many limits come out of the lake every year and how many fish it will save. The rod limit is to help alleviate some of the pressure on these extremely overfished lakes. Fishing pressure is the root of this decision. Neon, no offense meant to anybody out of town, it's everybody's fishery. And these rules are set to make sure there are big fish for years to come.

Mo you done drank the kool aid.
2007 surveyed 29 fish.
2012 surveyed 695 fish.
With the same amount of effort. Mr Garavelli himself asked for the change due to public comment.



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Originally Posted by CatchumDeep

I did not read all the way thru this thread so forgive me if this has already been brought out. I spend quite a bit of time at Sardis. My father-in-law lives there and we spend lots of weekends visiting him. I talk with the locals quite a bit, people at church down there, neighbors, local fishermen at coffee shop, etc. I'm hearing that there is a significant movement of local folks who would like very much to have trolling "by the outsiders" banned on the lake. There's one guy who lives at Sardis leading the charge and others who feel that the Out-of-State folks are taking out too mny fish with "their spider rig trolling" (they say). I also hear from them that the Out-of-Staters load up their boats with two or three guys so they can take the maximum out of the lake on every trip. They say that they were vocal at the meetings at enid and at holiday lodge and that their voices were heard. They feel that they got their way on the new regs at Sardis and want to see the other 4 go this way also.

I hear a lot that they live on the lake and went about a year without being able to catch many fish that were legal. Of course, they blame the out-of-staters for this also along with the internet and all of the picture posting that "bring the crowds". Last weekend, they pointed to the 100+ boats on the lower lake on Friday with most of the license plates showing Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas and Tennessee. They said the fish have been biting for the last month at Sardis and they're seeing 150-200 boats on nice days which is true from anyone's observations. They think their lake is getting killed again this spring. The very ones who want to see the lake limited to singlepoling in the Spring love to pull crankbaits in the summer sice they don't see this as "trolling".

I don't know whether we need to be worried or not. I'm one of the ones who likes to go there and pick up a limit with my spider rig setup. I'd hate to see that practice banned on the Big Four.

I personally was confronted on the Lower Lake in February by a single-poling local. He accused me of cleaning out Arkabutla last summer with "my 5 trolling poles" and now trying to do the same at Sardis. After I assured him that I had indeed personally caught all of the fish at butla last summer and left not a one for anyone else, he went away fuming. Wasn't thinking at the time and realized later that I'm glad he didn't have a gun!

These locals you speak of are probably the ones that ride four-wheelers into creeks and ditches, wade out and keep everything they catch.. They never see a warden because they don't use a ramp crawling with green jeans.. I saw it daily at Enid last year..

Originally Posted by MO' MONEY

People seem to get their panties in a wad either way. I explain what I am told by biologists and it becomes an issue of political correctness and that I am against war veterans (my roommate is a Iraq war vet, 173rd Airborne). I am just trying to shed light on why this has been done, and there is a biological study backing why things were done.

Its same as deer in Iowa, non resident tags are hard to come by, and that is because the deer numbers in that state take a beating every year during hunting season. We still want people to be able to fish the corp lakes(and travel to fish them), so instead of making it an outrageously high price, we limit the number of fish kept and fishing pressure put on these lakes, thus preserving the fishery from being "fished into the ground."

I'm not sure what biologist you are getting your info from. Mine came from Keith "Mr. Crappie" Mills, who is supposed to be the head fisheries biologist.


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