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Vt. lawmakers to take up gun restrictions
http://www.wcax.com/story/20596195/v...n-restrictions
And don't mind exploiting children to their advantage.........
Connecticut
http://www.newstimes.com/local/artic...ms-4196881.php
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HARTFORD -- Connecticut will have the toughest gun laws in the country if the Legislature adopts a proposal to be unveiled Wednesday by an organization representing the overwhelming majority of the state's towns and cities.
I love the way the new media rewrites reports.
Adam Lanza, a mentally troubled 20-year-old, shot his mother to death on the morning of Dec. 14, took her legally acquired weapons to Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School, blasted his way through the front door.
Read more: Cities and towns to seek sweeping gun reforms - NewsTimes
I taught it was a side door, or rear door.
I see that all announcements will be under the shield of children.
They can climb up on their political stumps and point their fingers toward the heavens,beat their chests,and scream,look what we done,,we are wonderful,we fixed the problem,,,But,,when it all backfires on them who are they going to blame?,,the gun?A lot of political people will be looking for other employment when the statistics come out about what a great job they have done on (fixing) the problem,If they tell the truth,we have gun laws on the books,but they are not enforced,some that make so sense at all.For instance,in baltimore its against a city law to shoot a wild hog while riding on a street car,we are going to have less to protect ourselves while the scum has exactly what they have always had and the honest citizen is taking the blame,,Lord have mercy on us
It's illegal to lie when filling out the federally required gun-purchase questionnaire.The FBI reported in 2009 that it had found 71,000 instances of such lying, but the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by HillBilly
More laws? Yeah.....that'll work.
Our local Wally World stated today they will not be getting anymore ammo.............but, can sell what they have left as well as the guns. They won't be
ordering anymore of anything until after they find out what the prez does with his EO's. Zero ammo on the shelves and watched the last gun removed
from the rack and placed into the box. Customer left happy. C R A Z Y times out there.
The local walmarts not getting anymore ammo is up to the management. Walmart Inc. will empty their warehouse to those that order it. They will not reorder until this mess is over.
"Mad Max beyond the Thunderdome" comes to mind...can`t help but remind me of "Hot Shots- Part Deux" where good old Charlie Hopper is blazing away with his trusty M 60 up to his armpits in spent cartridge cases shooting at a guy 15 feet away. Then him picking up handfulls of bullets and throwing them to kill the enemy. Sad thing is wonder how many children will find and be killed by all the new arsenals in America ? But, it`s OKAY, we can sacrifice MANY more to ENRICH the gun makers and so everyone who wants to can live the "RAMBO" illusion...after the funeral, of course.
At my age I can still remember when we had prayer in school, and many other things that taught kids respect for others and life itself. You will never make a law that will stop the gun violence or for that matter any type of mass killing in this country, it will never happen. As long as this society denies God . This country was founded on a Christian principal and was ment to be a Christian nation. This is no longer a Cristian country and it has been stated by our President. When he was on TV searching for a way to stop the gun violence talking about Sandy Hook, I wanted to tell him to get on his knees and pray, pray till God gave him an answer and then maybe he would know what to do. Bring God back into the society, that is the only solution .
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Originally Posted by Lowellhturner
Add another state to the list.
http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking...ro/HB0170I.htm
Add another one.
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/HB0042.pdf
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Originally Posted by popper
Have you ever answered the door and needed your gun? just curious.
You ever read the paper, or watch the news? Just curious?Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
I did fuel up with gas this morning, and before I stopped my truck, a man of color had already come to the pump removed the nozzle waiting on me to get out. I politely ask him to put the nozzle back into the holder, and please step away from my area, I don't need any help. He was cold and I was cold, I went in a bought a cup of coffee and asked the cashier if she knew this guy was doing this, she acknowledged, I gave her a dollar to give to the guy. One never knows when crap like this can go south
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Originally Posted by fishingpox
I agree anything can happen at anytime but if that particular individual has wished to do you harm it is doubtful you would have had time to stop him from doing so... Staying in self defense mode all the time is next to impossible to do and also go about our everyday living... I have not in my 67 years of living seen a need to have a firearm available to me for self protection.
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Originally Posted by NeonMoon
Yes and I know sometimes bad things happen but I believe being paranoid about self protection would be very stressful.... I don't walk through dark alleys in the middle of the night but other than that I am never concerned about somebody attempting to do me harm.
Well, I'll hope for your and your family's sake, the day never comes you regret your stance. I don't have an issue with your choice, so how about extending the same respect to others? I mean as far as I'm concerned, it's YOUR Right to protect (or not) yourself and family however YOU see fit. You're no more or no less than anyone else in this country, so don't think you are in that you can decide what THEY can and cannot do to protect theirs..Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
ETA: It always happens to the other guy...............
I had my hand on my gun, though the gun was in its holster and was never drawn.
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Originally Posted by HLLeonard
He was panhandling and you paid him for it. I go to work before dawn and usually gas up on the way in, generally around 4 or 4:30. I would simply have driven off, because gas stations that do not manage their pumps any better than that will not get my business. Around here the station clerks are directed by their companies to report that kind of thing to the police. I expect a merchant to provide a better ordered business situation than that or I will not deal with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishingpox
I live way out in the country. My driveway is over 1/2 mile long, no neighbors here. I have signs posted along the way that I made. One says " no camping, no fishing, no hunting, no nothing, go home!". The next reads "I would turn back if I were you". The next reads "Does anyone know you are here?". And the last reads "No one gets to see the wizzard, not no way, not no how!". When someone drives up not invited, they best have a reason. I am ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
Yes, I knew exactly what was going on. If it were not so cold, not so early in the am, and more people there, he and I might have had a conversation. You guys think I'm cold hearted , but I really do feel sorry for the less fortunate. At least he was out working. The advantage was mine. You are right though, I was the enabler.
Please review your state's laws about assault with a deadly weapon. Had you drawn on the guy who was not specifically breaking any law nor threatening you, you might have actually committed a felony. In some places specifically holding even an undrawn, but openly displayed weapon during a confrontation is enough of a threat to get you charged. The guy was annoying for sure and you should not have had to deal with him in the first place, but not worth jail time to you and perhaps even having your gun rights withdrawn as a felon.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishingpox
One of the problems with stand your ground, right to carry and shoot laws is that the line between self-defense rights and a felony rap is a very fine one. You guess wrong and the penalties can be harsh. It really pays to do some careful study about where to draw your lines. If you are going to carry a weapon, it is your responsibility to be informed about the legal limitations on its use, and there always are some important ones.
Believe me, I have spent many hours reading cases about CCW in Arkansas. We actually have a duty to retreat. Which I do not agree with, but it is the law. Shoot someone that is unarmed , one has a lot of splaining to do. But no one just can't brandish a gun, if you pull it out, you better shoot, and you Dayum better be in the right.
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Originally Posted by NeonMoon
Not sure why everybody seems to get the impression that I am 'anti-gun' I don't have a problem with anybody thinking they feel safer with a piece on them, I believe paranoia is an ugly creature and thats how I see that situation... I don't think as some of you guys do that our schools ought to be armed to the teeth, I don't have a problem with trained armed guards but the expense would be pretty heavy considering that even in a smaller town there might be 3 or 4 schools, thats a good many full time trained officers and my point has been during this entire discussion that taxes are plenty heavy enough already and I doubt seriously if armed guards would have prevented even one of these tragedies over the years.
90 billion on green power? More on foriegn aid? We bringing soldiers home? Why can't we protect our children? I promise, if you take the guns, it will get worse. In countries where guns are hard to come by suicide bombers and homemade explosives are much more gruesome! We need the jobs anyway! Especially if bringing all those soldiers home without jobs!Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
I live on a dead end road off of a busy road, close to the interstate. The last city officer that drove down it thought it was a driveway, some 2 years ago. I don't get into my yard or fields without a piece on me. I don't walk from my bedroom to my living room without it. Most of my visitors want gas. The station is 3/4 miles up the road. I drive some 90 miles for al free gas for my equipment. I'm sure not going to give it away. My wife works in a gun free zone, one in the car since she gets home at 3 am.
My day is busy from 12:45 to 5:15 everyday. I pick up 5 grandkids from 5 different schools and take them home. I get here in time for my wife to head to work. One school has a city officer that patrols the halls, mostly around the office. Another has a county officer that does about the same. No one in the parking lot or around the schools. Nothing I've seen at the other 3 schools.
I start training monday as a free county agent, 2 weeks training. 8 am to noon, so that won't interfere with picking kids up. Then see what my assignment is.
sure have....thank God the sight of it convinced the yahoo to go on down the rd.....with out goimg into to much detail.....answered the door .....young man who seemed to be very intoxicated asked me for money claiming he ran out of gas down the street.....told him i was sorry i didnt have any cash on me and started to shut the door.....the young man stopped the door with his hand and stepped into my door way and demanded money.......you can figure out how the rest of the events played out.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
Jeepguyjames, clown, fool, ect, is fine with me, and I too am not "anti gun, or even "anti rifle". Realistically, with ALL the firearms being bought by persons who in many cases have never owned 1 before and bought it LARGELY out of paranoia, without bothering to become trained to SAFELY use and STORE it, ie, trigger locks, ect you REALLY think the # of adults and tragically kids accidently shooting themselves will magically go DOWN ? Would honestly BET more than a couple of the hundreds of thousands of new owners keep the AMMO right next to the GUN, or likely even FULLY LOADED where they (and unfortunately their KIDS) can "quickly get to it..." But, hey, NO 'sacrifice' is TOO GREAT to feel "safer', right? God help us all...
Well, when one supports gun control, in any form, I don't exactly consider them "pro" 2A. "Shall NOT be infringed" is pretty clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by HLLeonard
You keep talking about others being paranoid, making it seem that people who answer the door armed are nuts, and at the same time express your concern for what others choose to own. Have YOU ever been confronted by ANY of those weapons you're condemning? If not, kinda makes you a hypocrite don't it? I mean, talk about paranoid, you don't think YOU are?
Another prime example of how the lamestream media has affected your thinking.....
Who said that? Granted, it's early (coffee not taken effect), I didn't re-read the thread, but I don't recall any mention of anything remotely close to that. Seriously, stop drinking the kool-aid and put a little thought into what you're saying on how you believe this stuff.Quote:
I don't think as some of you guys do that our schools ought to be armed to the teeth
Schools get federal funding, refer back to politicians having their "priorities" on how they waste, I mean spend our money. Think it's fair to see US dollars go to some 3rd world "pit", while people here go without? Already had this discussion. For the taxes paid in the US, there's plenty of money, it's just being misdirected.
Your last statement makes it sound as if you think your local PD serves no purpose as well then. Not seeing much difference other than one enforces laws, the other is simply there "just in case".
Still, I think the entire subject (armed schools as well as gun control) is simply a misdirected band-aid, and more focus needs to be on those who commit these crimes, guns or no guns. Then again, that wouldn't serve the political agenda.
The truth about "Assault Weapons"
The Truth About Assault Weapons
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Originally Posted by Lowellhturner
I have a brother who has the self defense afliction and he keeps a handgun lying on the night stand beside him loaded like you said, he raised kids also and as far as I know , has never had an incident that turned tragic but I always expected to get a phone call that one of his kids had gotten hold of it... I believe there is more of that kind of thing than there is of protecting yourself or your family with the gun.
I've read back through some of these postings, and have a question.
For those of you who think the 2nd Amendment is "outdated", answer me this.......
If that's the case, does the same hold true for the 1st? I mean, when written (Constitution) quill pens and hand presses were used. Does this mean 1st Amendment Rights don't apply to TV, Internet, and Newspapers? They should be allowed to be controlled, like you claim the Right to own (any) weapons should?
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Originally Posted by NeonMoon
Rights, privileges and entitlements belong to liberals. Ask any of the nuts. You don't count.
Rights aren’t ‘Rights’ if someone can take ‘em away, they’re privileges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country: a Bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news, even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter.
George Carlin
I like George Carlin and Galegar. I saw them both at Von Braun Center in Huntsville, Al. They make more sense than any politician.
I definitely believe in a literal Constitution, but I do not see the same literal as many others do. I also definitely want to maintain the 2nd Amendment, but I do not see any reference in it that gives firearms any special status nor having surveyed the variety of opinions brought to the framing of that one sentence do I see that the framers were in accord on anything but one main issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonMoon
That was to keep the state militias free from being absorbed into the Federal government and in the process to keep the Federal government from disarming them. I think that is absolutely vital to maintaining the local nature of the management of our system of law and order, which dovetails with other Constitutional bans on Federal military domestic action except in some very few, very specific cases. I absolutely do not want a single consolidated national police force, one that can be easily integrated with a Federal military to enforce national tyranny; that would be the most emphatic danger to personal liberty I can imagine for all that localized control complicates things when state lines and jurisdictions are crossed.
From everything I can read that is in agreement with all those who wrote the second amendment, while there was little other total agreement on anything else related.
And I think my take is as literal, but quite obviously not identical, to other literal readings. In short I think the Second Amendment is vital, but not on a personal rights basis and I also think that it does not specifically protect individual gun rights any more than it protects any other form of personal armament, from switchblades, daggers, and swords to fully automatic weapons, most of which have always been controlled in some form or other nearly everywhere in the country, even by most of the framers and backers of the original amendment itself. One of the big problems is that differences of opinion beyond protecting the state militias covered a full spectrum and one can extract specific quotes to back nearly any stance one chooses to take, except for consolidated and totally nationalized peace keepers.
To me the most important part of the 2nd Amendment is that it forbids a completely nationalized police force and forbids the Federal government to disarm official state peace keepers. That seems to me to be the best protection against tyranny, especially by coup or overriding regional dominance, that there is to be found. Pretty obviously since personal and regional differences exist in what is literal, there is going to be some intense debate and certainly hard feelings as one side or another dominates, if that ever actually happens.
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Originally Posted by NeonMoon
Everybody believes in gun control to some degree, It would probably be tough to find somebody who thinks convicted felons should still have their second amendment rights, it's just a matter of where any of us draw the line, assault weapons have supposedly been banned for years and if thats true then why do we need new laws to ban them.
When the doorbell rings I answer the door, all has been ok so far, when I want to go to town I don't take my gun with me, all has been ok so far so paranoia as far as self defense goes doesn't interfere with my everyday life.
I believe in the course of this thread and other threads more than one poster has advocated teachers and other school personnel arm themselves to take out the bad guys.
As far as law enforcement, about all they can do is come in after the fact and pick up the pieces, law enforcement makes our everyday environment safer because nobody wants to go to jail and we do a fairly good job of sending people to jail for breaking the laws... Not as good a job as we should do though.
If you were referring to the deputy at the school, I doubt even he knows just how exactly he is supposed to stop a tragedy from occurring there but it is an attempt at doing something even if we don't know just exactly what that something should be.
I may have to go back and reread my post to see what weapons that are legal now that I have advocated banning.
I pulled my doorbell some years ago. when the original in my old house failed, I went down to the local hardware store and got an inexpensive replacement that had a radio frequency send to a receiver you just plugged into a wall socket. Turns out some four or five other residences on my block got the same model. When one of them had the button pushed they all sounded off! That didn't go over real well with any of us! I pulled mine and found I liked it pretty well not having a door bell at all.
Back on topic, though, it is a very good point that everybody is in favor of some form of gun control at least to a minimal degree; so this is not really an absolute individual rights issue at all and never really was. The real question is not if but where to set the limits. It definitely pays to also remember that what one allows determines a big share of what is required to be defended against.