Thread: New Creel Limit

What lake, is it Ky/Barkley?
Bassky

Originally Posted by Bassky

What lake, is it Ky/Barkley?
Bassky

It's Tenn. that's having the proposed change. KY has already changed their creel limits to 20/person/day, and that's on both lakes.

I'm in agreement with alot of the TN members, whom posted that the Tenn creel reduction should become the same as KY's ... IF they pass such a ruling. That would make it more fair to those anglers that fish both sides of the border, and/or the reciprocal area. It would also help the WO's of both states, to not have to try and determine "where" the fish were caught (by anglers holding licenses for both states).

I think Possumcop posted this notice, here on the KY Board, to inform those of us that fish the TN side. I don't know how much impact any Kentuckians would have, at such a meeting ... but, letting the TN folks know that reducing their current creel to 15, might persuade them to not travel across the border or purchase a TN license, & might open their eyes to the fact that an equal creel between the two states might be a better option.

... cp

Originally Posted by crappiepappy

It's Tenn. that's having the proposed change. KY has already changed their creel limits to 20/person/day, and that's on both lakes.

I'm in agreement with alot of the TN members, whom posted that the Tenn creel reduction should become the same as KY's ... IF they pass such a ruling. That would make it more fair to those anglers that fish both sides of the border, and/or the reciprocal area. It would also help the WO's of both states, to not have to try and determine "where" the fish were caught (by anglers holding licenses for both states).

I think Possumcop posted this notice, here on the KY Board, to inform those of us that fish the TN side. I don't know how much impact any Kentuckians would have, at such a meeting ... but, letting the TN folks know that reducing their current creel to 15, might persuade them to not travel across the border or purchase a TN license, & might open their eyes to the fact that an equal creel between the two states might be a better option.

... cp

I am with you pappy. More people around Britton Ford this spring from Ky than was from Tn. The creel limit brought them down/over. I can't fault them.

I don't care what that Tn biologist stated at the meeting. There were no scientific data gathered like that in Ky to justify his (biologist) reply. Just good old boys here...

I believe Steve McCadams is right about the pressure. I will be talking to him sooner or later.

I understand the economics issue, but I also understand the greed.

Reducing the limit in Tn when there is a social issue and not a crappie population issue is not the corect thing to do. Let the reciprocal agreement exist for the bass folks to cross over, but make the KY folks buy a non-resident and a non resident boat registration and that will cut 75% out right there. Why punish TN folks, we are the ones paying the fees.

Originally Posted by sls

Reducing the limit in Tn when there is a social issue and not a crappie population issue is not the corect thing to do. Let the reciprocal agreement exist for the bass folks to cross over, but make the KY folks buy a non-resident and a non resident boat registration and that will cut 75% out right there. Why punish TN folks, we are the ones paying the fees.

Why should the Bass folks be the only ones to enjoy the reciprocal zone ?
Why should out of state anglers have to purchase a non-res boat registration ?? We already purchase an out of state license, and many other things associated with our trips to TN (gas/food/lodging/bait/etc). No out of state traffic ... lower economic results for TN.
The Crappie don't know/care what state they're in (or were born in) :p
They can travel across the state line whenever they want.

They've already lowered the Watts Bar limit to 15 (from 30) ... and the reason given was to allow more people access to the resource (locals & out of staters). Maybe they are trying to equalize the limits statewide

I still think that on any body of water that crosses state borders .... the affected states should work together to equalize creel/length limits --- whether it's an increase or decrease.

... cp

CP what you guys are saying is KY folks are not liking TN folks in KY and Tn folks don't like KY folks in TN, pure jealousy, sounds like a bunch of 7th graders. TWRA does creel surverys, run traps year round, etc. Tim B brought those results to the meeting. Cutting the limit is NOT going to help the fishing or the population. If you want to support something that will help, support the 11" limit. The biologist recommended the limit for KY lake stay at 30. he also stated KY and East an Middle Tn all will require their own surveys and regulations. No one group of people own KY lake . Make it as enjoyable to everyone, for as long as possible.
Take deer hunting, henty county, you can take 1000's. In another county it may be 50. Each place is different.

Originally Posted by sls

CP what you guys are saying is KY folks are not liking TN folks in KY and Tn folks don't like KY folks in TN, pure jealousy, sounds like a bunch of 7th graders. TWRA does creel surverys, run traps year round, etc. Tim B brought those results to the meeting. Cutting the limit is NOT going to help the fishing or the population. If you want to support something that will help, support the 11" limit. The biologist recommended the limit for KY lake stay at 30. he also stated KY and East an Middle Tn all will require their own surveys and regulations. No one group of people own KY lake . Make it as enjoyable to everyone, for as long as possible.
Take deer hunting, henty county, you can take 1000's. In another county it may be 50. Each place is different.

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just expressing my opinion that bordering waters should be equally limited (creel/size) so as to make it more fair to anglers on both sides. That's more towards agreeing with you, than taking sides.
Both states are economically helped by the influx of anglers from the other. I was of the impression that it was you that was wanting to "punish" Ky anglers, for fishing in TN waters ... by your statement that KY anglers should have to purchase non-res boat registrations. KY doesn't require it of TN anglers.

My "support" of a 20fish limit in TN's portion of the lake ... was just arbitrary, as I was just considering making it equal to anglers of both states. I just don't think it's sound practice to have confusing/different creel/size limits on a body of water, just because it runs across state lines. If it were up to me, I'd say let either state's anglers fish the entire lake ... with the creel & size limits being equal for the whole body of water. But, it's not ... and I don't fish there enough to offer any qualified opinion on "what's best" for the TN portion of the lake. I've never fished any part of KY lake, up river of the 68 bridge ... never had to. When I did fish KY Lake, Jonathan Creek was as far up river as I needed to go. Most of my successful Crappie fishing trips were at Barkley Lake, anyway

On the other hand ... I do economically impact the TN coffers, to the tune of several hundred dollars a year, when I make my two per year trips to Watts Bar Lake. Food/lodging/license/gas ... the Tn taxes of 9+%, plus the added taxes on lodging ... and all for the chance to catch a maximum of 15/day x2 days (legal possession limit) of 10" or larger Crappie. I do so, gladly ... even though I pass by several perfectly good KY lakes, to get there. I'm neither greedy nor jealous ... I just like Watts Bar Lake, the local people, and the adventure of the trip. I've been making this trip for over 15yrs, at least once a year ... and sometimes 3 times in a year. Greater regulation (ie - boat registration fee / higher length limit) would give me cause to consider staying closer to home. I can fish a local lake, with a 30/day creel & no size limit, that's only a 45min drive from home. And I have caught 2lb Crappie from it, & know it well (having fished it most all my life). Other Kentuckians may see fit to do the same ... so be careful what you wish for.

... cp

CP what you guys are saying is KY folks are not liking TN folks in KY and Tn folks don't like KY folks in TN

CP, I'm not quite sure what he 's reading, I didn't take that from your post at all.

I do fish the TN side of KY/Lake. I was born in West Tn and was taken there by my grandfather when I was just a kid. Lot of good memories for me, and the fishing is good. That being said, I agree that having different regulations on the same lake with an imaginary line across it doesnt' make a lot of sense.

Reducing the creel would be fine by me, but I like the 11" size limit even better.