65 and older license exemption

[fishlessDan]

I remember that too Doc. When the Parks Dept was combined with Fish and Game or should say bailed out. I just turned 65 last year and have bought hunting and fishing licenses since I was 16 with the exception of the 4 years I was in active duty military. I wouldn't mind paying if I knew every cent was going to Fish and Game. I used to have a camper and expected to pay to camp, however I have noticed frisbe golf, horse trails, stables, walking trails etc. being added to state parks. Those are nice but I'm not interested in paying for state run amusement parks. Charge me more for a boat ramp permit, that's ok, I still hunt and wouldn't mind paying a fee to access WIHA but don't charge me more to support activities I'm not interested in. It's time to bow our necks and make these agencies be accountable. This is not about a state employee COLA. Someone stated all the license money collected goes directly to KDWP, I believe it goes to the general fund and then redistributed. I feel the state made a committment and should stick to it, they can find other creative ways to tax and charge.

I suppose the amenities that you mention were installed to attract more families to the campgrounds. I believe the source that said that the license money goes to KDWP would know what he's talking about.

[fishlessDan]

Show me where on this attached webpage it states that a person over 65 is ENTITLED to fish for FREE in the state of KS. Or where they are PROMISED to fish for FREE!

Fishing Application and Fees / Fishing / KDWPT - KDWPT

My reading glasses might be a bit smudgy from the donuts!

[imajigger2]

Show me where it says that your children are entitled to a free license as long as kids exist. Some things are about integrity Dan. Also there is a little item about past practices. You still fail to show any viable numbers that the 65 and over crowd are raping the system. According to the explanation I read on the Lifetime license is that they get matching funds for a very long time after the original sale. What the heck would possibly be wrong with giving the free fishing license and writing that off by the state as your precious 20.00 for a matching 60.00. In the end the state gets their matching funds the 65 guy gets his license. All they have to do is issue a license. If they want to charge a dollar thats okay to they can still write it off as a 20.00 gift that they are paying for. It apears to me that all they have to do is produce a license what does it matter who paid for it, you me or the STATE. With a hard copy for 65 year olds and children they get more funds how can you still say people are begging for an entitlement. Your spouting entitlement carries no weight with any of us until you show some numbers, you can stand on the capitol steps and hollar entitlement all day, but people will lok at you and ask where are your facts??

[LBM]

Show me where on this attached webpage it states that a person over 65 is ENTITLED to fish for FREE in the state of KS. Or where they are PROMISED to fish for FREE!

Fishing Application and Fees / Fishing / KDWPT - KDWPT

My reading glasses might be a bit smudgy from the donuts!

From the very top of that page this sure looks like that those 65 and over are excluded from a license requirement "Persons age 16 through 64, who have been bona fide residents of the state for 60 days immediately prior to buying a license, must have a resident license in possession while fishing in Kansas. "

Several of my ancient friends have ask if I had seen that they were thinking of doing away with over 65 exemptions and my response has been "I don't have a problem with that at all" but I'm am certainly in agreement with Imajigger's concerns about accountability and transparency from our government administrators that have such a squeaky clean history of how well they can and have managed and spent our tax dollars. :rolleyes:

[fishlessDan]

Your arguement also carries no credence as you cannot provide any numbers to back your side.

Yeah, some things are about integrity and some are about common sense. I have never said the 65+ crowd is raping the system, all I said was there are more of them out fishing than there are in other age groups. I can't prove that but neither can you prove otherwise.

If KDWP decides my kids need to have a fishing license, I will either buy them one or leave them at home, my choice to make, but I'd buy them one!

If KDWP says they need the 65+ crowd to buy a license, then they can buy one or stay home. Pretty simple.

Also, I'm not the one saying I'm ENTITLED to a free license at 65, that is you and others. Everyone had/has the opportunity to ante up and buy a LIFETIME license, those with common sense would have done so long ago knowing that license prices would go up and the numbers of those in the outdoors is going down, so the difference is going to have to come from somewhere.

I also suggested earlier in this thread that a person at age 65 should be able to buy a LIFETIME license at a drastically reduced rate, I think I suggested $75, I would think that incredibly fair but no one bit on that, so it tells me it's about ENTITLEMENT, or the fact that some have taken it for granted that enough funds would always be there for the 65+ crowd to enjoy fishing for free.

Show me your facts!

[fishlessDan]

From the very top of that page this sure looks like that those 65 and over are excluded from a license requirement "Persons age 16 through 64, who have been bona fide residents of the state for 60 days immediately prior to buying a license, must have a resident license in possession while fishing in Kansas. "

Several of my ancient friends have ask if I had seen that they were thinking of doing away with over 65 exemptions and my response has been "I don't have a problem with that at all" but I'm am certainly in agreement with Imajigger's concerns about accountability and transparency from our government administrators that have such a squeaky clean history of how well they can and have managed and spent our tax dollars. :rolleyes:

Ok Lee, but it doesn't say those two age groups are ENTITLED to fish FREE either, As I've stated before, I think KDWP should offer a LIFETIME license to the 65+ crowd at a drastically reduced rate, I've always thought that and I'm sticking to it, weither it is $1 or $75.

[LBM]

Ok Lee, but it doesn't say those two age groups are ENTITLED to fish FREE either, As I've stated before, I think KDWP should offer a LIFETIME license to the 65+ crowd at a drastically reduced rate, I've always thought that and I'm sticking to it, weither it is $1 or $75.

No it doesn't say they are entitled to fish free it says no license is required for those two groups and it does not say they cannot fish so therfore it sounds like they can fish without a license.

[fishlessDan]

No it doesn't say they are entitled to fish free it says no license is required for those two groups and it does not say they cannot fish so therfore it sounds like they can fish without a license.

YEP! They can CURRENTLY!

[imajigger2]

Took a few pages Dan but I finally got you over to my side. Facts my boy Facts, that is exactly what we are looking for here!!!!!!!!!! Facts equate to transparency and accountability, which in turn leads us to solutions that benefit us all!!!!

Now lets move on to entitlement. Why is it termed an entitlement for me and my old cronies to expect the Government to live up to their role. Does tradition and integrity go out the door for us because of our baby boomer status. Do we need a gazillion lawyers to interpret every single things that arises? Are there some things in life that just go without saying? Why is it not an entitlement for your children to fish for free? Why is it not an entitlement that thousands of my dollars go to make sure your children have a good school to attend. Why do I have to pay so your children are entitled to a college supported by my tax dollars. This list could go on and on. My point is why are we the baby boomers being labeled as entitled. Perhaps we are the only generation left that has followed our forefathers thinking of take care of those who went before you and of those who come after you but do not go forth blindly. Dan why is it not an entitlement to give our disabled vets a free fishing license? It is an entitlement!! My generation doesn't ask why because it is tradition, and integrity leading the charge on this. For the same reasons I am not opposed to your children getting an entitlement from MY MONEY, it is the right thing to do!! I am also a Veteran of a conflict. Because the good lord looked out for me and maybe just plain dumb luck I am not disabled. Would you wish and think that it would have been okay for me to get a free license if I had been disabled? No, i thought not. All we are asking for is some facts before we dump anymore money into a broken system. Lets get some facts and then and only then lets try to reach some common ground on fixing a broken system that many of us love and don't want to see fail. You yourself have finally asked for some facts so i am assuming you are not ready to just throw some group to the wolves on unsubstantiated facts.

[Blackdog40]

I would pay to fish, I do not want my fishing license money going to build hiking trails in state parks, I do not want my license money going to tourism. If I want to use a state park I will be more than willing to pay for the privilege.

65 and older are not entitled to fish free but that has been in place a very long time and many people have benefited by this practice. Now just because there are a few more folks 65 and older we are going to loose this benefit. It is the same as any government agency a money grab they no they can do it and they will do it no matter what. Just run over all the tax payers they do not matter just get the money.

I suppose that if Jennison had said he was going to raise the license fee 100% everyone would be in favor of that because we need to fund this Department no matter what, that is what he is telling the seniors so I guess for those of you who disagree you would be willing to pony up for a 100% increase also. I bet we do not get any new fish cleaning station no matter how large the increase.