Gross

[crappiedoc]

Went with the family yesterday to Kanopolis. We fished maybe a couple hours and caught a little of everything. As for the KDWPT's fishing report, I don't know that I would trust it! All species we caught had the "infection", I've seen it before, it grows on the outside inward to the muscle. My guess is it went all the way through. It's NOT from handling/releasing the fish, I've seen it almost every summer since the 90's, this year it's just bad, plain GROSS. It looks like scaley hamburger on their sides above the ribs, the whole rib cage. In the 90's we cleaned some whites with this and it was also in the meat. This is the worst I've seen yet, it's a recurring infection and I'm somewhat concerned with the DOWN-PLAYING of this epidemic. It's listed as bacterial/viral in nature. Well, I'm sorry but it can't be both, might as well throw fungal in there too. What is it!? Does it cross the genetic line? I'd bet money it's a man-made infection, maybe a hatchery disease, kinda like dogs get kennel cough. My thinking now is maybe we ought to combine the KDHE with KDWPT so we can get some answers. There are immunocompromised people out there that might become ill from this, maybe even the State Park Mgr. It's a meandering problem, but the answer shouldn't be. You might not think this problem involves you, but the Smoky is the head waters of the Kansas River. Who knows, it might spread down-stream and involve the Asian carp species, which I doubt, since they arrived via sewage lagoons. Just some thoughts, I really don't like being a mushroom, do you.

[springhillwantabe]

thanks for the report doc guess i need to tell the grandkids to stay out of that water is that real long word really a word?

[LBM]

thanks for the report doc guess i need to tell the grandkids to stay out of that water is that real long word really a word?

Immunocompromised | Define Immunocompromised at Dictionary.com

[crappiedoc]

Thanks LBM for the definition, many people just don't know what can happen to them. My comment of the Mgr. revolves around the fact that he contracted West Nile virus a few years ago. Guess what, that qualifies as immunocompromised along with many other disorders. Everyday people just aren't told the things that can save or change their lives. I'd bet only a handful of people that read this actually know the cause of a heart-attack. I'm gonna leave that unanswered, post your thoughts and I'll inform you later. My only hint is it's a small world. I'm immunocompromised myself, it's the result of a chemical exposure, or a series of them. Turns out the Dr's did just as much harm as the chemicals. I am a trained Chemical Engineer and don't believe most of the propoganda you read. This series of pollutant episodes occurring here in KS aren't just naturally occurring, they're "stimulated" or the result of something else unnatural. This down-playing can lead to serious infections by/to all of us. Antibiotics, fecal contaminations, fertilizers, herbicides/insecticides, trash can-do-are responsible for most of our ill health. I know a Enviromental Dr who claims 70% of man's diseases comes from the water he drinks, hint. Anybody want to go swimming?

[kansasmedic]

I'd bet only a handful of people that read this actually know the cause of a heart-attack. I'm gonna leave that unanswered, post your thoughts and I'll inform you later.

Heart attack - AMI - Acute Myocardial Infarction - death of cardiac muscle that occurs when the supply of oxygen required for heart muscle is shut off. Oxygen is carried through the blood. Blood is carried by coronary arteries to the heart tissue. The two main causes of AMI is Thrombosis (clot plugs artery) and Atherosclerosis (plaque builds up on arteries eventually plugging them).

Sources:
Paramedic
ER Nurse

[crappiedoc]

Heart attack - AMI - Acute Myocardial Infarction - death of cardiac muscle that occurs when the supply of oxygen required for heart muscle is shut off. Oxygen is carried through the blood. Blood is carried by coronary arteries to the heart tissue. The two main causes of AMI is Thrombosis (clot plugs artery) and Atherosclerosis (plaque builds up on arteries eventually plugging them).

Sources:
Paramedic
ER Nurse

Better than Tabors--good answer--but that's more or less acute--gotta go deeper in the hole
My sister and brother-in-law are both RN's, the answer really upset the in-law, especially when he found out I was right. Me, I have no formal medical training, just a lengthy ride through the system. I'm a cause and effect guy myself, those are really effects. However in acute care and acute pharmacology they could be somewhat "causes".

[cannon14]

Thanks for the heads up doc...I was thinking about headed up there....guess not....so what your saying is that there is a seasonal condition that has been going on for over twenty years and nobody knows what causes it?...

[Fish Taxi]

Kansas Department of Health and Environment: Harmful Algal Bloom Advisories/Warnings

I heard that the river pond below Tuttle was closed this past weekend. I searched and found this page on the KDHE website.

[crappiedoc]

Thanks for the heads up doc...I was thinking about headed up there....guess not....so what your saying is that there is a seasonal condition that has been going on for over twenty years and nobody knows what causes it?...

That's a pretty good summation of it. As it stands now, there seems to be no stated reason or cause. Back in the 90's the white bass population was hammered by this very disease, almost wiped them out. Honestly, I can't say this is directly harmful to humans, after all as you pointed out it's been ongoing for about a quarter century to my knowledge. Its not something thats been directly attributable to illnes as say B-G algae, but as long as it remains unidentified, who knows. Look at all the causes of cancer, many of which don't show up over night. It's not that bacteria/viruses/ fungi all cause cancer but more so the mutations to overcome illness which causes your immune system to become impaired leading to cancer. Immunizations work on viral infections and antibiotics are for bacterial infections. Once any of the 3 bacteria/virus'/fungi are in your system, they are there for the rest of your life. Chicken pox as a child leads to immunity from it (viral), however later in your life it also causes shingles. Simple things like this are the reasons for my concerns.
FishTaxi, Thanks for posting the B-G algae link. The water at Kanop is not compromised due to B-G algae, who knows, whats going on now might lead to it's immunity from algal blooms. Now that's an interesting thought in itself.

[steveinsene]

Highly doubt what is going on at Kanopolis is going to make the lake immune from bg algae blooms, I know you are just throwing it out there! But Blue Green algae are nothing new and have been in your lakes as long as they have been around....the difference between now and in yrs past is they only recently started testing for such things. Blue Green algae is very common and causes no problems until above warning levels scientists have deemed unsafe. Not something new just ask the biologist he will tell you the same thing. Now increasing nutrient load coming into lakes making them more eutrophic may be making it worse but it is definitely not something new. So in summary blue green algae=not new but testing for blue green algae=new and recent.