birdman i wish i had your talent ,,,, nothing comes easy for me,,,,but i dont give up, i do enjoy fishing and trap shooting , bow hunting always took up most of my time but i have got away from it, already got to many deer. well maybe not the buck doe ratio is so far out of wack its a little different hunting now. i do thank all you guys that have gave me advice.... one minute i am thinking hummingbird and the next minute lowrance. i think hummingbird might be a little cheaper.....the deciding factor might be the best deal at the time...... thanks again keep the info coming.