Thanks for the info, the lake is Nolin River lake in So. Central Ky, no weed beds but good creek and river channels and lots of rock of all sizes and rock to sandy transitions, standing timber, etc. There's some awesome river channel bends beside bluff walls that should be great in Nolin. by the way, if you want to see some of my Side imaging pictures of crappie on structure, i posted them on the Hb 798 side imaging forum in fishing and electronics photography Thanks again for the help Lowellhturner and pomme guy