Thanks everyone, I'm gonna get them in the water tooo-niiite. The only thing this wound up costing me (outside of the concrete & gas to go get it) was a bunch of chigger bites. Gooch, I've got some buddies that still want to make some more of these, plus some mats, so I'll call you to come get the bryant boo. This came from a friends place outside of sheridan. It was in the woods a little bit, so the chigger factor was about a 8.5.