got the tm on. mounted the graph (old hummingbird 565 I was given a while back) mr. Echols at hitek made me a 30in bar with 6 holders (for now). Conway got me set up with 4 14 ft ozark rods that paired with a couple 12 footers I had and some el cheapo reels and I am a cluster waiting to happen. course with baby #3 scheduled to be here on Monday it may be a minute before I get to try it all out but man it looks good in the garage. thanks for all the advice.