Thread: Angler - provacative; fish impulsive when provoked

Originally Posted by INTIMIDATOR

I won't get into it, but I have a terrible view of using live-bait and certain techniques.

Please get into it. A thread on "a terrible view of using live-bait and certain techniques" would be tons of fun.

Welcome to the Peanut Gallery Feelay.

Originally Posted by deathb4disco

Please get into it. A thread on "a terrible view of using live-bait and certain techniques" would be tons of fun.

Nah, we've already had plenty of "live" vs "artificial" debates, and opinions on "certain techniques" not being sportsmanlike, or fair, or good for the resources, etc.

The consensus of those "opinions/debates" was that ... if it's legal in your state or the waters you fish, then have at it. If you don't like the opposing viewpoint, don't use it. No one I know of was convinced to change their mind about their stand on things ... so, as much as it might have been "entertaining" to some ("fun" to others), it served a fruitless purpose (as most Chevy vs Ford type debates usually do).

... cp

Originally Posted by feelay

You should have stopped after your first sentence. The rest only served to express your ignorance and bias of what you "think" you know about what I do and how I catch fish. Everything about it was condescending. I take no offense, however, as it also served to out you for what you are....BASS/MULTI SPECIES GUY!
I would invite you for a thorough education, (tail whoopin) but I generally get paid for that pleasure. Good day sir!

Sorry Carl...That actually wasn't meant to be condescending but understanding why you use shiners...I read it again, and it could be construed that way...I'm Big enough to admit that I need to apologize ...I was on break at work and hurried it! Sorry
I have a couple buddies who guide and their customers get upset if they don't limit...so they have to fill the boat daily if possible...as quick as possible if it is a short run, or they have multiple runs in a day!

Me, I concentrate and fish hard early in the year to fill my 2 freezers while the water is cool (I don't ice fish, but eat them all Winter)....I don't really have to worry about catching a lot of fish the rest of the year, like a business owner like yourself.

I do spend a lot less money than you on bait...I use Mend-It to repair all of my plastic to get more life and save money on them....plus I get them cheap!

I have been soured on live bait users and trolling/spider rigging by people at our home lake...shortened story...year 4 of the cover drops, we were asked to give out the GPS locations of cover we had put in "to help out the local fishermen" per the ODNR...People from all over Ohio and other States showed up...they fished the Cover 24/7 until it was torn up or barren 90% were Minnow fishermen who were sitting on the cover all day...besides all the fish that were taken from the cover, there were THOUSANDS of smaller dead fish that they ripped the hooks out of...then you had Trollers/Spider riggers that actually pulled up alot of the cover up because they were losing lures and bait!
We spent a year building that cover and Spent 2 days dropping it all...giving out GPS never happened again...and the lake is quiet and peaceful again!

You can PM me, but I would enjoy hearing what you pattern as a Spider rigger...most use Spider rigging as a SEARCHING tool to locate fish, them some cast to the schools..As a guide, you would have to do some kind of Pattern, to continually find fish...especially if you are busy...I was just curious how you patterned the Big 3!

Your right...I fished the Circuit...but now Crappie are my fishing and eating passion, I fish for them all year...and I fish for them just like I fished for Bass.
I also fish for and eat Walleye, WB, and Perch in the Spring...After the Spawns, I fish for Summer Bass at Night!

I also admire confident people, that's one of my trait's too!

Good Fishing
Brent

These are my Crappie baits....super soft!
I do dye the white ones for bright colors in dark water, or blue bird skys and overhead sun.
This pretty much matches our lakes hatches...you can use them in many different ways.

Thanks INTIMIDATOR, for the pictures. I watched a video of the keitech easy shiners. The tail action was amazing coming through the water looked like the real thing. I am going to have to try some of them.

Some pics...I have thousands...freshwater and saltwater. For Musky and Pike go big!
Reds love them, sea trout too!

I have caught just about every species in the Midwest using a slip bobber and minnow. Crappie are creatures of habit. They are meat eaters and predators. They corner there food source and make runs up to feed when hungry. They prefer dying fish, most species will thin the heard by eating the weakest animals first. Crappie don't eat just minnows. You have to know what other food sources are available in your neck of the woods. May-flys, June-bugs, Cicadias, night crawlers, red worms, and the list goes on and on. They will hit anything that looks like a decent meal. Let me rephrase, like man, some of the species will try a variety of food. Others don't have a taste for it and will let it pass. I personally don't like slimy food and won't eat it.

Every species specific fisherman is trying to find that perfect bait, live or artificial. News flash, there isn't a perfect bait. A fishes diet isn't just one food source. Some days I catch more Crappie with night-crawlers than minnows, some days its maggots, it varies with seasons and fish mood. Mood being determined by many factors, however atmospheric conditions are the biggest drivers. I have caught fish after a cold front moves in and listened to others complain at the ramp they didn't catch anything. Literally nothing, not bass, crappie, blue gill, walleye, nothing. I ask them what they tried and where they were fishing. I have seen Bass guys come screaming into a cove and make a few casts, leave empty handed. I drop my slip bobber and minnow in the same area and pull out 3-4 pound Bass. Had some highschoolers in a Bass tournament watch me catch one under a tree. I threw it back. One of the guys instantly changed lures, I moved on so they could try and win their tournament. I talked to him at the ramp later in the day. They eventually switched to minnow imitations and started fishing wood. Caught their limit. All there experience and sponsor told them it was a popper/spinner over weeds/grass kind of day.

Most are fishing species specific and target areas in the water that best attract the species they are after. I can move through an area and start out catching Bass, then Blue Gill/Crappie, then Walleye, and finishing with catfish. Not always in that order. Once I find the species I'm after, I can try and figure out a pattern. Depth, water temp, sunlight, forage, prevailing winds for the past three days, moon phase, etc. Once I have an idea, move to another area on the lake/river that is similar. Change the wrong factor and you wont catch fish, change the right factor and you could be landing slabs and not dinks. Some days a slip bobber is the ticket, other days texas style, or Carolina rigged minnow set-ups work best.

Use your artificial, enjoy. To each his own. Please don't try and tell me you have found the super bait. Banjo Minnow anyone? While you may be having success, ask yourself this. Could you be catching twice as many fish if you used the right live bait? I can catch dinks all day long. Heck, several years back I was in Chicago with my oldest son while he took his Bar Exam. I had time to kill and fished the Chicago River. Caught some decent Blue Gills. I'm in the middle of downtown Chicago. Surrounded by skyscrapers on all sides. Yes, live bait. Had to get it from a public fishing program the park district sponsors to get kids fishing. The plastics I brought didn't produce crap. Maybe I had the wrong plastics for the area, however it is what was recommended by the Chi-Town Anlgers forum. In the end, a night crawler was the ticket.



Regardless of what the artificial lure group says, life bait has been effective for centuries. EVERY artificial bait feature out there is designed to mimic a natural food source. So far everything I see on artificial lures reminds me of the snake oil salesmen in the old western movies. Don't matter what your fishing for, guaranteed to cure what ails ya (catch fish) or your money back.