Vacrappieman, thanks so much for answering my questions! it's not very often I get a chance to talk to someone else who uses a lot of these jigs. I was turned on to these jigs by an old timer who had been using them for over 40 years and he showed me some of his old jigs that were all worn out and he wouldn't hardly let me hold them to look at them because he said he couldn't find them anymore, I have supplied him with these little jigs ever since, actually I just give them to him for the favor he did for me of turning me on to them. he calls them pinky jigs.