What thread size and brand you using. My Fly thread seems to fragile.
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What thread size and brand you using. My Fly thread seems to fragile.
Danville flat waxed 210 denier
I use kevlar for mine. Most of mine are bucktail and walleye sized though.
I use 210 flat wax 90% of the time and 140 flat wax the rest of the time. I have some 70 denier but it breaks with very little pressure.
210 waxed!
210 waxed here also
Same here except for Purple and they don't make the flat waxed in it, but they do have 210 denier in Fly Master Plus that I use if I need Purple.
I guess it will depend on what you want to tie also as some may prefer the FlyMaster.
Oh and I didn't say the MFG....Danville!
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I see all use the waxed. Why do you use that instead of the regular non-waxed?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave336
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For me it will cinch up better and not break as easy. The flat part because I like how it lays on the hook shank. There are reason to use the Fly Master though as it's made different and is not Flat. So it comes down to what you like, not me! I do think a lot of guys use the 210 Flat Waxed in the beginning because I do and I also recommend it. Anything less in Denier breaks too easy for me, but I do use a decent amount of 140 Denier too and even one or two 6/0 from a different brand due to color and the 6/0 is not flat!Quote:
Originally Posted by slowhand
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Depends on what you're doing. For crappie jigs I usually use 210 denier flat waxed nylon. You can break it but you'll get the hang of it. Wrap tightly, especially your first 3 wraps. They are what really holds your material, not the number of wraps.
For bucktails 1/8th oz - 4 oz I use size D rod tying thread. Very strong which means I don't break it, thick so I don't use as much, and round which helps in nice clean looking wraps.
Honestly you can just buy white and black unless you're into having the thread showing. I tie mine hidden unless someone specifically asks for it. Red is nice for kiptail jigs but you can use whatever color you want on them.
Maybe get a few spools of 6/0 thread if you tie tiny jigs, 210 denier builds up really fast on a #8 or 10 hook.
I use 210, 140, and 70 denier, depending what I’m doing. Yes, the 70 breaks easy but I take one of my bobbins and have it opened up a little wider with less tension for the small thread. Small jigs with this mostly but some colors make me use this. Peacock blue for one. Most of my crappie jigs I use 140 because it’s easier to hide. I have a habit of over building. Also use 210 on crappie jigs but usually with bigger hooks like #2 or bigger. I’m heavy handed and if I can learn to use 70 denier, you can to when it’s called for. I keep my thread in a Plano tackle box standing up and it works good, keeps any sunlight off of it, and keeps any dust from gathering on it also.
210 flat waxed. Unless you are tying bucktail, in that case a non-waxed thread helps hold the slick hair better.
I tie a lot of hair jigs. Thanks for the advice.
I need to get some 210 waxed for my squirrel tail jigs. I like red and black. Any other recommendations as to color.
If you tie a lot of hair you may want to look at the Fly Master Plus for your tying. Here is a link to Danville color chart. Now if your mostly tying thread neck jigs then I would load up on Red thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracker12
Maybe I will get a box next order with Danville?
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Im using upholstery thread and super glue. I like it because its very strong, cheap and builds up on the hook fastAttachment 365133
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I've tied a lot of jigs with upholstery and sewing thread. It for sure works. Just get the nylon like in your picture or the polyester, avoid cotton as it will absorb water and weaken. It's not as pretty as fly tying thread usually, but there's no arguing about its effectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by brettw
Pull it tightQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin22
Haven't broken it yet.
I think it s stronger than I am
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I'll use the wally world thread too for certain colors. They have a very nice purple. I have broken it several times though so you have to be somewhat gentle compared to 210 which I use in abundance. I have also heard about folks using clear monofilament line but I haven't tried that myself.
Mono is used for tying a good bit. Danville has a good Purple in 210 Fly Master Plus. I sell a good bit of it. Danville and other thread making people also sell mono on thread spools. I use it at times and on some flies it will adding letting color through once the Glue is applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by callmecamo
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What is the mono used equal to if we were to use some? 2# maybe? :dono I'm sure it's not the same stuff is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
Your about right, but maybe e a little heavy, lol! However I have not looked these up to see what pound test they may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave336
Danville's Monofilament
Available in Two Sizes
Ultra Fine (.004) - Clear and Smoke
Fine (.006) - Clear and Smoke
100 Yard Spools
The Monofilament is sold by the dozen. One dozen is
a box with twelve spools; same size and color per box.
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Originally Posted by skiptomylu
That helps. Should be able to cross check the size with mono sizes and get close. Thanks Skip!
Daville 210 I have all the colors. Use a lot of red, followed by white and yellow chart. The blue I use the least.
4# mono works
So how do you put 4# mono on a spool?Sent from my Pixel 3 using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by speckle
You just trap the thread and wrap it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by hankll
By hand and the same way they put thread on there to start with, but not sure I would go to 4# line. My auto bobbin requires that I put the thread on the spools that come with the bobbin. I probably have 15 spools for it and different colors on each and some with mono. I don't use my aunt bobbin as much as I should and there are some ties I use to do that the auto bobbins helps a great deal. It's great if you want to wrap something on that was tied in and hanging off the back. I can take the thread and hang it off the post that came with my Nor-Vise and I can spin the jaw without adding thread to the shank, then when I am ready I can take the bobbin off the post and let it self retract back to the tie to finish.
Oh and my auto bobbin setup came with a spool that I can attach to an electric drill and let it do my wrapping. Only takes a short time to do.
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Nice info, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothlures
Hey smoothbores post a pic or two of what your tying so these new guys and see what you doing? I know smooth ties some larger jigs than some of us and a good bit of buck tail and that is different for sure.
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Have any of you guys tried The GSP threads for hair jigs ?? I just tied up some small #14 jigs with 12/0 Nano silk Some strong stuff .. Just remember when you use these type of thread its better to cut them with a razor blade or one side of your scissors like a knife.. It also lays super flat ...
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I believe that my 2lb test Stren crappie mono is .004 . My 2.5 lb Japanese nylon line is like .0025 and another listed at 2.5 lb test is like .00178. . Just for reference, I’ve never used any mono for anything but antennas and it was way heavy.
From what I see, .004 is about 2lb test and different line composition makes them different size. Nylon 2.5lb test I have is .005 . Some 4 lb mono is .007. Just for reference.
Don't you find the GSP a little costly? I see it around other sites for like $4 a spool and are not even 100 yards. Veevus thread is also great stuff, but cost is high for it too. I use some of their 140 Denier Power Thread and it's stronger than most threads other 140's, but we are talking just regular thread and not the GSP.Quote:
Originally Posted by stabgnid
I guess since I don't tie a lot of hair any more that may be something I should look into? I notice all the Veevus is just 75 meters, but saw some other that didn't give it's length.
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[QUOTE=skiptomylu;3957057]Don't you find the GSP a little costly? I see it around other sites for like $4 a spool and are not even 100 yards. Veevus thread is also great stuff, but cost is high for it too. I use some of their 140 Denier Power Thread and it's stronger than most threads other 140's, but we are talking just regular thread and not the GSP.
I guess since I don't tie a lot of hair any more that may be something I should look into? I notice all the Veevus is just 75 meters, but saw some other that didn't give it's length.
Well I don't tie 100 jigs or flies at one time so to me it makes it okay for me Plus I bought mine on sale .. My favorite all around Thread is 12/0 Veevus (you could easily tie a jig with it) or 8/0 MFC but the Nano silk for small stuff is also good ..
Steve-stabgind
[QUOTE=stabgnid;3957086]I have been using some 140 for a few years now mostly because I like it strength at the 140 denier size. It's very good thread though! Now on the 12/0 I feel sure I would break it too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
If you ever need any Gordon Griffith's 14/0 Sheer Ultrafine Thread, let me know as I have some. They are 100 meters.
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I use clear monofilament thread unless the chenille I'm using is very dense or has long fibers like estaz. Then I use 210 flat waxed. The reason is monofilament is very slick and the whip finish knots will sometimes pull out. I like it because it matches everything and you can buy a massive spool at most craft stores. I'm working on one that is 2,200 yards. Haven't run out yet and it's been a year or two.
Will it pull out even if you used some glue on that finish spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoemoo
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It might work better if you are using other glue. The glue I use is alcohol based. A solvent based adhesive or superglue might work better.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
Works fine on new age chenille where you want to hide the thread. It's only chenille that "bounces back" like estaz, Wapsi wooly bugger and Cascade Crest crystal antron that gives me trouble.
Upsides are that you don't have to change colors so it's faster to tie with and it hides well, especially on jigs that have more than one color in the body like weaves and skunks. It's also super cheap. I paid about $9 for my 2200 yard spool. You can get it even cheaper if you buy cones.
I make all my own glue that I use on chenille. About 14 years ago I bought a qt of Clear High Gloss Lacquer and a qt of MEK, I will have over half of each, lol! I mix these about 50/50 and is fantastic on chenille jigs! I can also make great flexible glue, but choose to use Softex for my thread neck jigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoemoo