Ok we are gonna have to have a meeting at crappie camp and discuss how we gonna save more minners. Looks like us boys are getting outnumbered and minners are dying left and right!!
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Ok we are gonna have to have a meeting at crappie camp and discuss how we gonna save more minners. Looks like us boys are getting outnumbered and minners are dying left and right!!
I don't think I have harmed a minner this year (so far). I am not saying I don't use them, but i haven't needed them.
Sign up for the meeting be strong
only sign up if you don"t want to catch fish !!!!! minners rule when it come to spider riggin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meatgetter I catch all the law will allow so I better swear off minnows.
See we got 2 members now man the group is building
MG, I am just learning the spider rigging method of fishing. I have not used a minnow during this process, and actually my wife had to convert to a jig pole fisher woman this year because they wouldn't leave the jigs alone long enough to look at her minnow. And I have caught more fish this year than I ever have in a summer of fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
It probably didn't hurt the jigs were pink and chart.
I'm NIMROD and I am a jig-a-holic. I gave up minner dunking and am hooked on jigs.:biggrin:Rofl
if yall go to a real lake and quite fishing in a barrel you will understand. i used jigs all time when i first started spider riggin too . i was fishing the small lakes and oxbows and was catching fish all time,when i started to fish the large lakes and reservoirs some time you caught fish and somedays you could not !!!!!! to catch fish consistently you had to troll with minnows!!! if you check most all of the crappie tour. are won on minnows!!! ronnie capps and steve coleman are 7 times national champion they say any time money on the table there will be a minner on there hook!!!!!! they have won well over a millon dollars fishing minners ,so i think they know a little bit more than most!!!
We all know you really don't like those minner critters, and would really rather only fish with jigs. It's OK, we will let you come back from the dark side.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
Is Dardanelle not a real lake? Nimrod is not a mudhole? Peckerwood? I usually catch fish on jigs without the need for minnows . Not saying minnows won't get strikes but I like the skill it takes to use jigs. Crappie fishing with minnows is like duck hunting with live decoys. Never understood why Bass touraments and Crappie Tournaments have completely different fishing standards?
I hardly ever buy minners cause I longline. But if I was spider rigging I'd be fishing bare hooks with meat.
nimrod i am talking about spider rigin with minners and i catch just amount as many as the next fisherman with a jig pole and jig also !!! if you spider rigged on other lakes other than that piranha pond especially after the spawn you would know!!!!!!!
Enough Said!!! Thumbs up Jerry!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
Whooooo Weeeee, you guys are gettin all riled up!!!!! If ya don't like minners, that's OK. We understand you need to save a few bucks, since most of you guys find a way not to werk!!!! I am envious of y'all!!! Being the President of the New MHMandMC club, let's have a series tournaments to resolve this issue!!!! No home lakes to fish, use whatever ya want, any style you like, any time of year ya choose, and let's see who wins out!!! Must have at least three tourneys so there aint no ties. I know you jig guys have the advantage cuz you save all that big money not payin fer minners, but that's OK too. Us MHMandMC members are used to the added expense, so we short our families on gifts at all the major holidays to offset that cost!!! Now shaddup, or put up!! I'm bettin on the MINNERS!!!!
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Lol I spider rig fish in the Arkansas river and it ain't no barrel Jerry. I think it boils down to confidence.
We just feel it's not sporting to use a crutch in a tourament and a dozen live baits trolled is a crutch IMO.:bash Guess B.A.S.S. needs to change their rules and allow 12 poles baited with Shad.:Rofl
We ain't talkin about no Green Carp fishin!!! Wonder why they been sellin them Alabama rigs tho? What they got 5 baits on one!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by NIMROD
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jw have you catching a bunch this summer?????????
I wuz gonna say that before the tourneys start I wanted to erase MY waypoints on them fish finders you got from me, but I forgot you use jigs, so Never Mind!!!! LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbowhunter
BTW, I think your analogy is correct tho!!!!
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thats no more a cructh than 400 stake beds or tree tops sunk thats a baited spot !!!! that don't take no skill fishing a baited hole!!!!!!!!!! just saying!!!!!!!!!!
Those are illegal in most tournaments now.:popcornQuote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
We put those out to give the riggers something to hang on Jerry.rotfl Plenty of stumps here but put enough stuff out to spread out the fish to make it more challenge'n. :biggrinOtherwise they tend to suspend in open water alot.:twocentsQuote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
Because they caught way more feesh on em I bet!!!! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by NIMROD
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Ronnie said always use minnows when you spider rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
Keep it stirred up , I need a few more posts for 6000
Jerry it's scary how many fish the river has produced and only 10 min from the house. I just started trying the brush tops. They haven't produced much yet but I hope they will. I have learned to single pole and spider the river here. Threatened to try minners a time or too when I got off the fish but didnt give in just kept fishing new places. Not much I don't know about it now. I hope my 100 tops me and a friend put out will produce.
Rookie, you need atleast another couple hundred.:RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbowhunter
Well no one hear to do it but myself most of the time so a hundred took a lot of time. Can't get no volunteer most of em out dunking minners.
I'm just up the road a piece, give me a call, I'll help you sink some. As long as I can go fish them also. Used to catfish in at the mouth of the harbor 3-4 days a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbowhunter
No prob send me info
I'll bet they're glad I let them in on my little secret.:RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER
There is no doubt that spider rigging with live bait is the easist way to catch a crappie. There are many reasons why this is true and I'll list a few. First I'll just cover spider rigging, then spider rigging with jigs verses live bait, then cover minner critters, gnats, tippets and the spinners I make which are all successful for the same reason.
1. More baits in the water increases your odds to catch fish.
2. You only need to be in the approximate area of your structure due to being able to cover 30 or 40 feet with one pass.
3. If you don't have any idea where the fish are, you can cover more water in a shorter amount of time.
4. It's easier to figure out a pattern since you can set different poles at different depths until you get it right.
5. When you do hit a school of crappie, it is very easy to catch multiples before spooking them.
The above is just general information about spider rigging and why it is effective. Next, I'll cover why minner critters, gnats, grizzly jig tippets and my crappie spinners are effective. Most on here know that in the spring, I had trouble with good hook ups using road runner jigs while spider rigging. Because of this, I began to try to figure out why this was happening. In the process of this I built the crappie spinner and gave away a very large quantity of them. ALL that I got a report from gave the same report. They worked but the fish swallowed them too deep, which is not a bad thing if you're gonna clean the fish anyway and are not in a tournament. Here is my opinion why this happens...
The thump that you feel while jig fishing (which I will cover next) is not caused by the crappie sucking the jig in as we all have been led to believe, but it is caused by the lips of the crappie striking the vertical line down to the jig. A crappie is not going to just open his mouth wide enough for the bait to go in, but it will attack its prey with the mouth fully opened since the most of what a crappie eats is trying to escape and is not tethered by a line to be an easy target. This is the key to why everyone is not successful jig fishing. This is also the key to why a bite of a jig on the fall is hard to see. This is also the key to why my crappie spinners, meatgetters minner critters, donnies gnats, and grizzly jigs tippets work.
The crappie baits listed above have one thing in common. When they are fished properly, rather than the line hanging vertically down to the bait, the line leads to the bait horizontally. The bad side of this is YOU don't feel the thump of the lips striking the line unless the fish strikes perpendicular to the bait presentation. The good side is that the fish doesn't get a good view of the horizontal line when he strikes and the fish doesn't feel the line until the mouth is completely closed. This results in a better catch to strike ratio than fishing a straight jig or a minnow tipped jig. I will go a step furter and say that a non-bent shank on the hook will result in an even better hook up to strike ratio, but also may result in deep hook ups. Generally, when a person figures out the fish liked the bait faster while spider rigging jigs, it was not really because the fish were into "chasing" their prey on that particuar day since all animals are inherently lazy and like to expend the least amount of calories possible while obtaining their lunch. When you spider rig faster, you cause 2 things. The first being, you are fishing shallower and the second is, you are causing the jig to behave like my crappie spinner, a minner critter, donnies gnats or a grizzly jig tippet. Fishing faster causes the line to the jig to become more horizontal rather than vertical resulting in 2 things. The crappie cannot feel the line when it strikes, and the line is harder for the fish to see unless of course the fish are perpendicular to the line. All of the above mentioned baits have the following in common. An increased amount of drag in the water with a minimal increase in the weight. This causes the the fishing line, even at slow speeds, to assume a more horizontal position resulting in a fishing line harder for a crappie to feel and see.
Jig fishing and why people are "good" at it.
There are some people that have exceptional vision, reflexes, or a combination of the two. People who have these charcteristics are more likely to catch fish on a jig everyday. Even though there are days that everyone can jig fish, it is not the easiest thing to do consistently. First, you have the disadvantage of dealing with a vertical line which is easier for a fish to see and feel. When the thump is felt, you have a micro-second to get a good hookset because at that point, the lips of the fish have hit the vertical line, the jig is in the fishes mouth, but the mouth is still open, and he is in full "cancel this lunch order" mode. This is why the person with quicker reflexes has an advantage. This reflex can be honed by jig fishing more. When this reflex is coupled with great vision, so you are able to see the bite of the falling jig with the line horizontal (which results in a no thump condition), you have a great jig fisherman whether it is on his home water or anywhere else.
The thump vs jig weight.
I have found that the thump on a heavier jig is more pronounced than a thump on a light jig. This is not necessarily a good thing. As I have explained above, the thump is caused by crappie lips striking the vertical jig line. To the fishermen this means set the hook, to the crappie it means "get out of Dodge fast". Either the crappie or the fisherman win, depending on who is the fastest. To offset those days when your reflexes cannot match the reflexes of the fish, sometimes fisherman down size their baits. The result of downsizing causes you not to feel the "thump" as much, but neither can the fish feel the vertical line to the jig as much. A smaller weight in a jig also results in a slower fall time which causes the line to be in a more horizontal position in relation to the jig for a longer time. This results in the jig being deeper in the fish when you first feel him on. When the jig is deeper it is harder for the fish to release it before your hookset. Smaller jig, finesse fishing...I don't think so.
Yes, there are exceptions and variations to this, but think about the things above and see if it doesn't make sense the next time you are fishing.
Remember you saw this theory here first.
RCC
http://img.tapatalk.com/a69378a1-d1bf-04f2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by RCC
If a crappie feeds up, and we all know they do, they won't hit the line on a jig with his lips,. They see the jig first, and the line is above it. The exact opposite on a horizontal hit!!! They will also see the line LESS as a jig falls, because its above the falling bait, the exact opposite on a horizontal bait!!!! They see the line first, and the bait swims by after the line. Lol
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This has been a fun thread!!!! Im like Numrod, Keep it going!!! LOL
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Pffft at least I am good for something :)
You've done a marvelous job JW!!! Now go git some Minners!!! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by arkansasbowhunter
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Nimrod
Back when you were the Sensae and RCC was the Grasshopper I bet you didn't know what you were creating. Now he is a Guru. Did you get promoted too?
DP
brm promoted him from nim to num!!!!!!!! lol !!!! i quess that better than nun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol
:Rofl Just something else to think about when you can't fish. Some of the things may be valid and some may not. BRM calling me on this makes what is true, no less true, and what is false, no more true and it doesn't bother me for him to say so. I think I have a valid point on why minner critters are working so well and if this is not true, so be it. I haven't lost anything but a few bucks mailing out spinners for free and asking nothing in return except for honest reports trying for figure out some of the "whys". I knew I would never get to fish enough to check these myself, so I asked others to fish them for me. Fishing is not my business, it is my Saturday fun, and I will continue to treat it that way with my own theories and techniques some of which work and some do not. I am thankful that there are those on this board who have shared their "SOUND" fishing knowledge that has put me on some good fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPEPPER
I could offer more "proof" of what I was talking about, and if anyone cares, I'll be glad to exchange a PM concerning the above.
Better than being a big BM.:RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by MEATGETTER