Any suggestions on how to rig up to find the depth they are at and be able to cover a lot of water quickly? Only a coule weeks out of the year do they come in shallow into the side structure. And then they just laught at you while you beat your head in trying to get them to bite.

8fisherman, I wonder if that would work here for casting long distance ocean fishing? We don't always need to but it owuld be nice to be bale to hit the weed beds that are a good 50-100 yards out and not get a load of weeds. A float would work well if we can see it.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if they were kidding, but I read of some dockshooters that attached a remote type fishfinder to a remote controlled boat to scout under docks. This sounds like it would work from shore also. No idea what a setup would cost.

As far as the casting 50-100 yrds, you can cast the rig I am talking about with a leader as long as your rod. You use a long sweeping overhead arch for the back cast and pause for a second to let the leader lay out behind you. With a little practice you can kinda load the rod and then "let'er rip". Just before the the float hits the water, thumb the spool a little and the leader and fly/jig will lay out in front of the launcher and will be a much softer landing. This can be done with a spinning or baitcaster/whatever reel. It takes some practice, but the results are incredible. You can get to places others can't. Again, Roger is the "king" and he LOVES to talk fishing. This is GREAT for schooling fish. We use a streamer type lure and burn/pop it through top water feeding stripes in the summer. It is explosive to say the least! We also slowly fish a 1/32 bucktail in the winter. I would post the link for Flexcoat but I am tech. challenged. :D The difference with this float and all others is you terminate both the mainline and leader to the top swivel and all the weight is in a bullet shaped lead on the other end. Very aerodynamic and it will FLYYYYYY! I am not a sales rep of any sort, but this is a great product. If you try it, let me know how it works over the weed beds.

BTW, Basspro has a Inshore Extreme rod that is 8'6", 3/8 - 2 oz wt., 12-20 lbs., that will cast up to the M3M very well. The larger Launchers are a little heavy for it. I think I paid around $100 for mine. Roger builds rod just for these rigs, but have your checkbook handy, a little pricey for my taste.

Good luck.