Okay, then lets see if we can find me a float that will work. Most of the time the water is rough with waves about 1-2 inches high. I am fishing in deep water, the lakes around here that have big crappie and gill are close to 30 feet in most areas, most of the time anyway. I need to cast at least 20 feet and most of the time i need to throw up to 50+ feet. I use medium light 5'6" to 6' rods. 6# mainline with a 4# leader. I do often fish with a braider line for casting a bobber so I don't break them off but I always use a 4# leader. Point me in the right direction please. Trout can be just as finicky at times so I will probably use it with them also.

As for not wanting a weight on the leader line, my trout bite to cast ratio tripled when I stopped using weight on my leader. Clear water conditions are common most of the summer here so I try to use as clean a presentation as possible. Maybe it doesn't and won't matter for crappie/gills so I will have to give the shot down the leader a try. Fishing with a clean leader outfished most everyone else that fishes bobbers/floats for trout on any given day so I figured it would work as well for panfish.