Ok Chatt, finally had a chance to read this thing, look at the pics other than from a dinky lil cell phone from a hospital bed. Great story and one excellant downscan pic. That picture alone is worth a thousand words (or fish) to me. Bill and I fought the wind yesterday and kept a mere 30 10" or better. I was completely off "anchor duty" and did nothing more than I might have done sitting around the hossinda. I appreciate your input during the last week. You're a good man.