well, I finally felt like getting out and fooling with the wiring again, after phone conversation with BRM this morning and re reading some post from like Tush, I decide to run a temporary ground from back of fuel gauge ground to the ground on my starter battery, well turn the key on and fuel gauge lights up (yee haw) flipped the navigation lights on and the fuel gauge is not effected (a big yee haw) so I am assuming that it was the ground all along the way whats yalls thoughts