Thanks slab for your insight,,,, it was great to finally meet you and a few others guys today down at Butla,,, Great place to learn to fish...I figure if you pass the Butla test,, you certainly have done something Big,,,I recon Im going back after them using all that I've leaned this week and see how things work out,,, i saw a lot of fish today on sonar, but not too many were hungry today,,, Best to start putting it in their faces instead of trying to crank quite yet,,,,new did try alittle longlinging as well,,, but still no takers in deep waters,,,So much new water to fish,,, I recon if the bait is shallow, the crappie ought to be right along side of them,,,at least close by,,,a hope to see you boys next time I'm out,,,,