Thread: Need input

Is there some kind of data out there that says because we have guides on the big four the fish are in danger? The lakes are over crowded because of guides? Then we come back to the old reliable, it's all them pictures. Maybe it has more to do with all the fishermen having family and friends they tell when they're catching fish, they teach em to fish and enjoy it and then those close ones share it with others and get more people excited about fishing and the sport grows and grows. Maybe we should tax all fishermen that have children and friends they introduce to fishing. It ain't somebody elses's fault. Just sayin..

You can spin it any way you want but where else can you profit from public resources

You can't guide a deer hunt on public land

You can't guide a duck hunt on public waters

All I'm saying is it needs some oversight


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What is the intended end goal of these guidelines?

Is this petition trying to add guidelines pertaining to safety (I.E. requiring insurance, safety inspections, coast guard licenses, and things of this sort) or is it aiming at controlling, monitoring, and/or reducing the pressure by regulating the amount of guides on the water? Either by physicality limiting the number (either by quota or by only allowing a certain number of permits per lake, or even making it so expensive that some cannot simply afford to guide?

Until the deep water horizon accident I worked several years as a guide fishing offshore blue water and have seen it done both ways both to the benefit of the industry and fisheries as well as to their detriment.


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best way to protect the asset would be to ban lowrance, hummingbird, garmin, etc. from making fish finders, but i guess we could also stop most highway accidents by banning automobiles. supposedly they are regulated, but i see people speeding, drinking and driving, jaw-boning on the phone, and running redlights daily, so i am not convinced that "regulating" anything means much if the regs are not enforced. just saying....

My only thing is, when this movement began I got a message calling for a $10,000 guide fee. Then this will cause guide trips to jump to $1000 per outing. I've not seen any problem with numbers of fish, quality may be bad on some lakes at times, but I bet enid produces good fish once they set up on summer pattern.
But, if the limit does go to 10 14" and up fish, that sounds like whatever we are doing is working. These lakes produce these huge fish because enough fish are take out every year through either the spillway or in coolers. I just don't see a pressure problem. Maybe a low water problem causing crowding at ramps.
Think this is going to open a can of worms, I would be glad to buy a permit and report yearly Catch or whatever. But it sounds just like the Out of stater mess that usually gets started. I don't see the cause for alarm


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Originally Posted by torch

You can spin it any way you want but where else can you profit from public resources

You can't guide a deer hunt on public land

You can't guide a duck hunt on public waters

All I'm saying is it needs some oversight


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No spin here Torch. I'm responding to your original post which said "Anyone that uses these resources can see the immense pressure this is causing the top crappie destinations in the US."

Originally Posted by Boatbottom

No spin here Torch. I'm responding to your original post which said "Anyone that uses these resources can see the immense pressure this is causing the top crappie destinations in the US."

Well, heck I don't have a problem saying it. I have fished Grenada lake since the late 60's. I would have no problem whatsoever seeing the fishing pressure reduced on the lake. It has gotten so that I don't enjoy fishing Grenada during the spawn. Long lines at the ramp, and a 100 boats in each creek have made spring fishing unpleasant. I know, I know. It is a public resource, and that's not going to change, but there is nothing wrong with wishing there were smaller crowds during the spring. Now that cranking season is right around the corner, and crowds are shrinking, I will get over it. I am just stating what I think is obvious.


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Originally Posted by MO' MONEY

My only thing is, when this movement began I got a message calling for a $10,000 guide fee. Then this will cause guide trips to jump to $1000 per outing. I've not seen any problem with numbers of fish, quality may be bad on some lakes at times, but I bet enid produces good fish once they set up on summer pattern.
But, if the limit does go to 10 14" and up fish, that sounds like whatever we are doing is working. These lakes produce these huge fish because enough fish are take out every year through either the spillway or in coolers. I just don't see a pressure problem. Maybe a low water problem causing crowding at ramps.
Think this is going to open a can of worms, I would be glad to buy a permit and report yearly Catch or whatever. But it sounds just like the Out of stater mess that usually gets started. I don't see the cause for alarm


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Mo why has limit gone down 30 to 15


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