We've been using the Off Shore Tadpole with great success for deep crappies and cranks. - When placed on a planer board it gets the bait further from the boat as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pesce
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We've been using the Off Shore Tadpole with great success for deep crappies and cranks. - When placed on a planer board it gets the bait further from the boat as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pesce
There is a phone app available from precision trolling data that has most of the bandits - they (PTD) also offer stickers for tackle boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by royboy78
I have been trying to use the Off Shore planer boards and the Tadpoles trolling weights with a Arkie crankbait behind them. I really like those trolling weights. The Off Shore trolling boards handle the weight well. Making turns is a learning experiance......wide and gradual. Was doing pretty good untill a four pound catfish messed me up and tangled everything I had out. Will work on this concept some more.
G - I apologize for LOL'ing right now - but: "Been there done that!" concerning the catfish. With me, that experience came on the great lakes trolling for walleye when a Salmonoid of some type not only tangled up the whole spread, but spooled two reels to boot. It was a nightmare to say the least. In the future - one learns to "clear boards fast" when a big 'un bites - but stuff still happens too fast sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Feet...Bandit 100...200.......300 LINE......deep.....deep..... deepQuote:
Originally Posted by royboy78
05 ------- 2.4 ----3.2 ----- 3.4
10 ------- 4.0 ----4.5 ----- 5.0
15 ------- 4.9 ----5.3 ----- 6.0
20 ------- 5.6 ----6.1 ----- 7.0
25 ------- 6.3 ----6.9 ----- 8.0
30 ------- 6.9 ----7.5 ----- 9.0
35 ------- 7.4 ----8.0 ----- 9.9
40 ------- 7.9 ----8.5 ----- 10.5
45 ------- 8.4- ---9.0 ----- 11.0
50 ------- 8.8 ----9.5 ----- 11.6
55 ------- 9.1 ----9.9 ----- 12.1
60 ------- 9.4 ----10.3 ---- 12.5
65 ------- 9.7 ----10.6 ---- 13.1
70 ------ 10.0-----11.0 ---- 13.6
75 ------ 10.3-----11.4 ---- 14.0
80 ------ 10.5-----11.8 ---- 14.4
85 ------ 10.7-----12.0 ---- 14.7
90 ------ 10.8-----12.2 ---- 15.0
95 ------ 10.9-----12.4 ---- 15.4
100 ----- 11.1-----12.6 ---- 15.7
105 ----- 11.2-----12.7 ---- 16.0
110 ----- 11.3-----12.8 ---- 16.3
115 ----- 11.5-----13.0 ---- 16.6
125 ----- 11.6-----13.4 ---- 17.0
135 ----- 11.7-----13.6 ---- 17.3
150 ----- 11.8-----14.0 ---- 17.6
Here ya go........................This chart is based on using 10lb mono and a trolling speed of 1.6 to 1.8 mph
Thanks guys I got the app on my phone.
Thats great roy! The app has two settings - one for Trilene XT 10 pound test - and one for Berkley Fireline 10/4. I prefer to troll cranks with the 10 pound XT - Lo-vis green, but have been trolling a little with Solar and haven't noticed any line-shy fish yet.
What size Tadpoles are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Been using Size 2Quote:
Originally Posted by SlabMeister
At slower speeds .7 to 1.3 mph) We've found that you can get by with a number 1, even down to 40 - 50 feet deep. The number two works at these speeds and depths as well - but works better for higher speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Adding weight
Sure wish someone will, very interesting but hard to follow and weed out the bsQuote:
Originally Posted by Slab
Sure Slab I just looked how long it is. Maybe on my next layup lol
Because you revived the issue, it seems I now have a volunteer. Thanks all. Good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bflowers
And it's not you CG1, you don't need any more layups.
I'd like to see it condensed too!!
As someone who has read this entire thread several times, I can say with some authority, "You would have to be a little insane to volunteer for that job!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Slab
I think the best start would be to break it down into sections like long lining, using planer boards, techniques for different seasons, etc. It's such a broad topic, it's pretty hard to condense it. Maybe trolling out pulling cranks needs its own section in the forums 😉
For a new crankbait troller on Sardis and Enid, using Bandit 300s or Arkies, what depths should he try as he's figuring things out?
I would stagger the baits at different depths and let the fish tell you where they want them at. In order to know how much line to let out - the data from Precision Trolling will greatly assist.
Where is the best place to buy Bandits? I found 4.99 it that the best Or does anybody have a chart for the new arkie 350??
Read the entire thread, finished it today thanks so much for all the info. I had absolutely no experience trolling cranks read part of it then went out Saturday caught a 24 inch Walleye and a 14 inch Crappie lost a nice Crappie and the other fish I lost may have been another Walleye. Caught them on a pink strike king slab hammer and a bass bait casting rod and reel. I will definitely be pulling more cranks in the future.
Quick question, how often do you change colors of baits trying to find what they are biting?
That depends on whats happening, some days I never change and others I am constantly changing. If it aint got hit in 10 or 15 minutes, put someone else in the line up. Too some colors work better early and others middle of the day, some never work for me and others kill em on that very same color.
Totally agree with Rees - and would add the following "rules of thumb": When it is bright and sunny - sometimes flashy metallic colors work better - overcast calls for "painted" colors. We've had days where you would have to reel in everything and change over when a cloud covered the sun - then when the sun came out - reel in everything and change back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
Also pay attention to the "bellies of the baits" - found where one belly color will outperform another - like orange bellies - or pearl bellies, etc.
Also - Rattling baits versus non-rattling baits - Sometimes the fish want something with rattles like a Flicker Shad or a 4.5 Rattling Salmo Hornet - other-times they want a 4 or 5 cm Hornet (non-rattling) or a shad rap.
Often times - you just have to get the bait to the right depth
Best thing to remember is: "A busy troller is a productive troller!"
I use the Bandit chart for the Arkies, works about the same
Up until a certain point, Arkie curve once you reach 13 foot deep requires more line out than Bandits do.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebranger
Arkie 350 series depth chart Attachment 211238
Thanks for all the information--just finished reading all 151 pages over the past two days. I've pulled cranks with some limited time on the water and hope to do more in the coming weeks.
One thing I can add is catching crappie is all about following the bait no matter what time of year or water/air temperature and finding their preferred depth. My fishing partner a year ago got all the latest technology--Humminbird Onix 8 with 2D, DI, SI and 360 Imaging. He also has the I-Pilot Link, so most of the time we set the cruise control and use the follow-the-contour feature. The boat is completely self-driven. With this technology, I can see underwater especially well. The single most important thing I have discovered is that there always seems to be a certain depth that the crappie will be located. It may be 7' or 27', but there is a comfort zone with bait nearby in which they can be found. We feel confident that we can put plenty of crappie in the boat with minnows and jigs, now we are going to focus on crankbaits.
I feel that with the input and sharing of knowledge in this thread, we will be able to find some good crappie fairly soon. We have a crappie tournament here in NC on the 29th and we hope to be able to pull cranks. We entered a trounament on this lake a month ago and and caught over 100, but the biggest five only weighed three pounds. I'm tired of catching lots of little crappie and want to go after the bigger ones. Thanks again everyone.
when you figure them out cranking you will catch some of the biggest you have ever caught.:twocents
how do i need to stagger my rods? i have 16' 12' and 8' and I run my rods off the side of my boat on each side....I have a tiller steer boat and troll from the back of the boat....if i am driving the boat looking towards the front of the boat which rod should be my first one in the holder thats closest to me? should I go 8' 12' then 16' furthest away from me? and which rod should I let be the longest line out? should my shortest rod have my longest line out? or my longest rod have the shortest line out?
In my opinion, I think you would do well to have the longest pole on your strongside ahead of you but able to reach leaning forward. Your second longest on the weakside still in reach. The shortest pole behind either one of the other as to best see it and be able to reach it. Your eyes need to be able to see the tips at most all times. Being in a strain to accomplish that will be little fun.
I sat at the console of my boat and sat the rod holders from my seat as I would be trolling. Now I always fish with the wife and she covers alot of ground in the boat. Sounds like you are mainly fishing alone. With a tiller handle and long poles with long lines out I would think you face some challenges steering and reeling. You may need to tighten up the tension on your tiller steer so you can let go and stay fairly straight.
We go long to short back to front.
Good luck, you'll figure it out.
thanks for the advice I usually do fish alone....my outboard is designed for trolling it has rpm adjustments to dial in the speed and it also has a co pilot feature that allows me to lock motor in place, I learned last time out that if I keep my trolling motor in the water i can use it to steer with. my trolling motor will steer the boat without even turning the it on all i have to do is turn it left or right with my co pilot remote....if Im sitting in the boat driving I have been running my shortest poles in rod holder closest to me and then 12' in the next hold and 16' in the last holder....I just wondering if it would be better if i put my 16 footers out first closest to me and then get short going towards the front of the boatQuote:
Originally Posted by downsouth
i would say set then up so you cover the most water. i would have 16 on the outside then 12 short rod out the back
Your doing it right .....that way you are not running lines underneath other polesQuote:
Originally Posted by tigerinfielder3
What works best for me is the long pole on each side is furtherest forward and it runs the longest line as well, next pole is shorter with a shorter line and so on. I know some say the line closest to the boat should be the longest, boat spooks the fesh, I say BS, we had a battery issue the other day and had to use the big motor to troll, most of our fish were caught on the short pole running 25 feet of line out rite by the boat. Also, I run all rods off the side, nothing out the back. With the longer rods having the longer line out the fesh cant be brought in directly behind the boat without tangling any lines. Everyone has their own way but this is what's worked best for us so far.
i do it like reese(rods out the side ,longest rod with longest length of line out),and run the big motor alot and catch just as many fish with or without the bigmotor runningQuote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
A lot of good info in this thread. Thanks to all that shared. Forgive me for the gewber question if its been covered already. On the amount of line out / depth chart; is the amount of line out measured from the rod tip or from when the crankbait hits the water and starts on its way back? Or does it matter all that much?
Thanks,
JC
Its measure from where your line enters the water......the line in the air from water surface to your rod tip does not count.
Thanks "G". And you too "majfb" for starting this. I really didn't get the bug until all the activity this past Nov/Dec posted by "theygotaeat" over on the LA board. He was killing me with the pics and reports. And now the tally is one troll plate, 4-rod holders, 4-trolling rods and line counter reels (waiting on ups for those); I guess I'm knee deep in it. Oh and I forgot, the countless cranks to come.... Well let's just say I'm determined to make this happen.
Thanks again guys,
JC
Is it any crankbait that will work right at the speed of .08 to 1mph? I would like to pull 1 or 2 pair of planer boards(cranks) off the front side of the boat as I longline 1/8th jigs out the back. I was thinking maybe the smaller 220 Arkies, Bandit 100, 200 or shad raps.