Skip, I have tried on every pair of neoprene gloves I have ever found and they are all too tight on my hands. When I drove over the road I would stop at outdoor shops in the very cold states and never found a pair that fit right. I think the concept is great and badly wanted a pair, but finally gave up. I like the muff idea but not sure if it would get in the way for the way I usually fish in cold conditions. I'm hearing a lot of ideas to try though. I also agree that most jackets have lame pocket liners.