thanks for your info crappie pappy i appreciate it what about the Abu garcia cardinal on a ugly stick??? i am interested in these poles my friend has one and it is the sensetive rod as they come also i would like a kind of ligther reel is the crappie combo by shakespeare a good choice or is the better deal bying reel and pole seperate or maybe the zebco genesis any more reels you would reccomend in th 0-35 dollar range would do just fine for a begginer reel so any more info would be appreciated