sorry guys on the slow reply, we caught 8 crappie and 3 blue catfish, only fished till about 1am, i did not take the new toon i used my boat, i am still getting it rigged the way i want it, it will take some time and cash, dennis i plan on taking some trips on it to dale in the fall, i will let you know and john and i will come over and get you and take you fishing. on your honey holes of course....lol