Still a little early yet, not to say you can't have good days this time of year, but...From what I've seen the last few years they can be pretty tough late Sept/Oct. I haven't been yet so don't have any advice other than stay after em. A friend of mine that fishes as well as anyone else that chases em on KY has been twice in the last couple weeks and had 14 and 6. Sometimes they're just tough, it will get alot better in the next 3 or 4 weeks.