LOL, Wish I had noticed that it was this old. Also your right they work just fine, just my preference is I don't use them as it's too much of a pain to deal with when tying my own and painting them. I would rather just loose one, but last spring I trolled stump fields all the time and got hung quite a few times, but I bet I didn't loose over 2 all 3 months. I did wear a few out though, LOL! Believe it's best to just lock this thread and let it go peacefully.