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These were tied with large palmer chenille. Estaz isn't long enough. There is a whole length of micro uv pearl flashabou in about 6 strands doubled over, then a bunch of deer tail, then 4 saddle hackles with another bunch of deer tail. Large uv pearl palmer chenille wrapped to the front and fox tail and ripple ice fiber in front. Takes right at 15 minutes to tie. Also, the stick on eyes have thick loon uv resin over them to help hold them on better.