fe1 I bought some from a fly shop in Oregon and if you really want to know PM me and I will look it up, but I also since then got an account with Whiting and now buy it from them as I get a much better deal straight from the one that raises the birds and also dies them. If you need enough of them (different colors) I am sure that I can save you a few bucks, but it takes a little time to order and get them here.