Yes Stump Hunter I do know better, but I nly had used that Renzetti for a year so never thought it couldn't be good for times like these, but it didn't consider that both could need something and for sure not at the same time, LOL!

Bob I sure didn't ever thing both of these high quality vises would have something that needed attention at the same time. It was most likely my falt on the Nor because it was because a part was in backwards so it was not spinning as free as it once did, but now it's a hot rod again !