I have been tying on a Nor vise for about 7 or 8 years now. Have about every conversion they make including 2 of the fine point ones because the older one I had and the newer one was going to make it easier for my tying if I used it. My video linked in the sticky is using my Nor. Actually I have 2 of them and a Renzetti Salt Water Traveler with Cam Jaw which I only used for about a year before I got the Nor. Then I did have a Peak since I sell them, but someone talked me out of mine.