Double dubbing loop

[fish_4_all]

Anyone have a link to this technique? I have been trying to find it and have drawn a bank. Need to tie some peacock flies and jigs and want the body to last a little longer when it starts to fray.

[skiptomylu]

Man I am a bit lost for the double part. Not sure I have ever seen anything called a fouble dubbing loop, but a dubbing loop I have used for Peacock Herl.

Here is a link to Dubbing Loop Basics, but figure you know this already.
"Dubbing Loop - Fly Tying Tips - Volume 5, Week 17 Fly Angler's OnLine"

Then Peacock Chenille which again I feel like you may already know all this, but there is a link to Dubbing Loop in this too.
Peacock Chenille - Volume 6, Week 16 Fly Angler's OnLine"

I know Don also does this with the rope dub where you can use a piece of wire to rope on and make it a lot stronger I would think.

I also did find 2 post where they spoke of a double dubbing loop.
A step by step for the Disco Minnow - Fly Tying

Crawdad Pattern - Fly Tying

Hope it helps,
Skip

[fish_4_all]

Yah it is an odd little technique I was taught by an old timer and don't remember exactly how to do it now. It took a loop of thread around the main thread and actualy wrapped peacock herl in a nice fluffy way around the central thread. I hope I can remember it sooner or later but I have not had any luck in my 10 or so trials so far.

Thanks for trying Skip.

[Fatman]

It could be a double strand dubbing loop (I checked my Fly Tyers Benchside Reference book), you basically make a dubbing loop and hold it open and dub a different color on each side of the thread and then twist it to get a two colored body.

If you're going to use peacock herl an easy way to make the body durable is this.

When you tie your thread on and roll over it to secure it to the hook leave a long tag end and don't cut it off, tie in your tailiing material, then depending on the size fly you're tying take 2-4 strands of herl, tie it in by the tips clip your hackle pliers on and spin it into a tight rope. Now take your bobbin and spin the thread around it and then wrap it around the hook and tie it off. Now take the long tag end and counter wrap it in a spiral pattern then tie it off. Finish your fly.

I have a little home made tool, get some velcro with the teethy part (go ahead laugh) and stick it on a popsicle stick, after you do the above gently brush the herl to fill it out.

Works really good.

This technique makes for a pretty durable body. The only other way is to get some peacock colored dubbing and make a dubbing brush or dub it on the thread and wrap it.

Fatman

[quivira kid]

I just got some peacock-colored Ice Dub... make my body, counter-wrap with copper wire, and it's bluegill-ready.

[Okieflyfisher53]

When I tie peacock herl bodies, I tie in a piece of wire with the strands of herl and twist it all together before wrapping the body.
Steve

[Fatman]

Ok I knew I had a link on a cd-rom about this. This is a link to an article on dubbing and mixing it but partway down it shows how to do it

UKFlyDressing - Dubbing Techniques

Go down to Reply #13 Double Loop

Even if you don't do dubbing for fly tying it's a great article!!!!!!!!!

Fatman

[revtoby]

Great article fatman...

[fish_4_all]

Thank you fatman that is the technique I think. I will have to do it to see if it works the same as the one I used to know.

I have tried peacock chenille and dubbing and other imitations and none of it even comes close to the catching ability of the real stuff for me.

I will try the wire wrap but I really want to get the wire hidden well as it seems to distract from effectiveness when I use wire on them.