Hey miller just started tying a month ago but i think i know what im doing.if your tying for winter fishing only use 10 or so hairs and make the tail short. if you ever want to get together let me know.ive been tying all flashaboo tails the fish at jacomo love it.the lady at BP in the fly department was a big help when i started.havent seen you at the docks lately dont let work get in the way of your crappie fishing.