They still have some on ebay,free shipping.Chinese saddle stems are thicker and stiffer than the hackle I normally use making it a bear to tie. Probably put it all on ebay one day and get rid of it since I don't use it any more. Skip,save the headaches and use your good stuff. I buy a lot of bulk grizzly necks as well as white. Then I cut them in half and dye them the colors I need. Two colors per neck or saddle,usually takes a little while to use them up.