On that lake with charlie we usually keep 15 to 20 really nice ones limit 30 but last couple of times not so much. Oh well it's why it's fishing and they are there somewhere we just have to hunt them up. He is just stubborn about putting FF on as he bought it a year ago and would really help finding structure and fish as we all know.

felt good about ketchn on my home lake as most folks I have talked to complain about hardly ketchn any at all. But then when send them pics they arn't surprised said Dang it I knew you would find them. But reason they fail as they keep doing same things over and over and I will adjust.