thamls for the help. I know how to find em now. justinp61, your right, it is pretty straight forward now but try going to 5 or 6 diff sporting good stores and talking to a bunch of guys who dont know anything about there job or how to help find out, its pretty frustrating. I guess i was just ecxpecting the sites to have em on the main screen or sometihng, i dont know i was in a bad mood at that point.