baitman, I know very well what fisherman will pay for baits, however the average fisherman will pay what he can afford and if another bait performs the same for less money then that is what he will buy. If everyone paid that kind of money or enough would that I could make a good living from it, that is what I would do for a living. I can buy just as effective baits for less than my time it takes me if I was going to sell them to someone else and make money for my time. I just do not have the equipment to be productive enough. Some people have that. You evidentally have taken the time and effort and hard work it takes to build yourself up, you make a darn goodlooking bait. heck if I had the money I would buy your stuff just because how good it looks. You have good prices on your stuff too. However since it would take me forever the way I do it to make those, it is not cost effective for me because I would not make any money on my time or I would have to charge a dollar a bait. You seem to have it all down pat and I congradulate you, you do an awesome job. I also thank you for all the information you have given me in the past to help me get going. You were very generous to me and I appreciate that.