Hey creekslick thanks for all your help i am gone to try a nite stalk to night in some deeper water around 20 foot deep it drops form 10 to 28 feet deep in just around 40 yard it is right on the side on the maine lake chanel right be side a big rock bank.Dose that sound like the right kind of place to find fish and how do you set up your rods when not fishing with floats. :D Hey if you ever get down this way i would be more than happy to go out on a nite stalk and see how it is done the right way i know lake greeson vear good i have lived 1/2 mile from the lake for 30 years.