We really fished hard. We tried the trees, flats, deep and shallow, we also drifted with bobbers and then drifted tight lines. Nothing worked for us, but I don't intend to give up. I didn't learn to trout fish in the first 6 months, but over several years. Now, I would consider myself somewhat of an expert on the White River, altho I can't wade the stream anymore, I can still manage to catch em with the right fly. So crappie look out, I'm on your trail. LOL