I don't either, Scott. I was just trying to make the point, and agree, that all the rods on a bar would have to have the same length for rotation of the bar to have the same effect of each rod. Also, I like your clamp on the top as opposed to my original post about a sleeve with a set screw. Your clamp would appear to be not only easier but more effective. Also, I finally got it through my thick skull, I think, of what Steve was saying about the angle of the rod. If a rod was sticking almost straight sideways, raising the rod tip of the one sticking straight forward 6 inches (by rotating the bar) couldn't produce the same 6 inches raise on the sideways rod. I think that's the angle he was talking about, and I agree with him. Well, I feel like I'm so I'm gonna shut up! Enjoyed the discussion.