We weren't casting, we were shooting docks. I was using a 7' Lews and he was using a 5'6" or 6' casting rod. He was pitching jigs just like a bass fisherman would pitch a pig and jig. He could get em WAAAAY under the docks and make about 2 casts to my one. I've never seen anybody pitch a crappie jig like that and he's a pro at it.