Thanks guys I have been out in Cain with my canoe when I did a lot of dragging getting out to the main body, but I did not know anything about Cain, followed some guys back out that were in a little boat and did not drag at all. Slabby I will have to ride over and check out Blackwell one day after work or possibly slip out a little early. I saw a video that another member on here posted that looked interesting. Never been fishing in a swamp.