Ignorance is bliss, and it's amazing how people's minds work once you find the crack to let information in. You seem to have good debating skills, and congrats on your ability to change this person's mind on how a person can use FFS as an advanced tool for finding structure and potential fish and not as a "cheater box," as some people think. I still catch more fish using pre-Livescope methods than I do when I stare at the screen to pick off fish or try to see what is working or not.