they were in about 20' of water next to a weedline drop off. it went from about 15' (with weeds) to 20' (without weeds) really quick. they were right on the ledge. went out again this morning and got 43 more perch and a couple of 12"-14" smallies.you could see some big smallies chasing after minnows in about 5'-10' of water. couldn't get them to hit though. most perch were 7" with a few going 9"-12". all were released.